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> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2024 10:19:50 -0500
> 
> > If so, what are the situations where a Lisp program in Emacs would
> > like or need to "look inside a function value"?
> 
> The most obvious cases are in cases of introspection (things like `C-h
> f` and underlying functions like `help-function-arglist`).
> But there have been some other cases over the years.
> [...]

OK, thanks.

And the reason(s) you are "annoyed at the use of lists to represent
function values" are?...  IOW, what will we gain by using your changes
in this matter?