From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Physical keyboard events Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2024 19:46:47 +0200 Message-ID: <864j4u6bug.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86r07z58or.fsf@gnu.org> <86froe6eq3.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22743"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: cpardo@imayhem.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Yuri Khan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 29 18:47:52 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1t5qJs-0005n4-Jl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 29 Oct 2024 18:47:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t5qIv-0001Z5-Re; Tue, 29 Oct 2024 13:46:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t5qIs-0001Yk-Vx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Oct 2024 13:46:52 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t5qIs-00015Z-8m; Tue, 29 Oct 2024 13:46:50 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=uPh+5eYlW0IVjYLRBaJyYHDiAWC9MCVAmckWb+6XHCE=; b=II7Dg2uD5Muw2jjiypzh Lo81ZHbB2TjLGBFl8t7LKS3q/a5j45IKbDjvMKZor5tdfYwP0LA/CLK89RkzaW0EhM3iPhUhguhY0 sUCs9FMv6miKd+iPFx2QkjLudgQL1YzhPFetZVH/+86IWZusfXK8qiEDbYlPv2EIdBMvcAdMKOVoF 0oh20tIt1uTpK1Qxu1OPr6iMGPCGvWR0T7S5Hhj5IzmrH0o/G4oQss/HO8qFEcCAx/SZnSSao/E96 cqQ8FRPhPxpfkbRcpackd65A05qOxucJgfw5xuxsaw5z5neCuKcHKM8ysC1w71W24ilBqVhBeVgTx axyicykC7PMhAw==; In-Reply-To: (message from Yuri Khan on Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:55:49 +0700) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:324927 Archived-At: > From: Yuri Khan > Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:55:49 +0700 > Cc: Cecilio Pardo , emacs-devel@gnu.org > > On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 at 23:46, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > I meant the non-modifier keys. When some OS feature redefines a key, > > low-level events will not know that, and will still consider the key > > labeled 'a' as 'a', even though I might have switched the keyboard to > > another language, where the key labeled 'a' actually produces a > > completely different character, say, 'ש'. > > >From where I stand, that would be a feature, in some carefully chosen > cases. When I’m switched to a layout where the ‘a’ key produces an ‘ф’ > character, or an ‘α’, or a ち, I’d still want Ctrl+this key to behave > as C-a. Yes, but you want that _only_ for keys with modifiers. Which is not what will happen. Some feature...