From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Discuss new features/enhancements or large changes for users in emacs-devel [was My resignation from Emacs development] Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2024 15:32:10 +0200 Message-ID: <864j3k3nad.fsf@gnu.org> References: <169c6564-4722-4338-a049-5f8f3ce69394@alphapapa.net> <86a5dg7iut.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9812"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 03 14:33:05 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tIT1U-0002Os-CG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 14:33:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tIT0p-0005wo-DG; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 08:32:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tIT0m-0005vb-3o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 08:32:20 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tIT0l-0000Z3-QF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 08:32:19 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=8dppAXTFlkuSsMOO8yiuG3dehDl2NJ9QfmRLmU/+4GY=; b=gZq2JGnsnRWM GMtxVdW4N4L/KFRyNR7xmMbI0y9Y9S4KdVx6TQYzYl/cc17Q+eF71/9EFZ65lCypLWzhVT0xhvX0A SNlYK3M+HZvEU3MBvt4CmgLzV3HZossrQEniZv7CjqDOeXyzyVOLkv//8FXRtrYyQrIhdxFNNZrx3 MthlHr6XDxV32EOpa9/y/Kzpg/85ezn5AI9ujiFNwAAEheyD37uDW61c16KPHuOkfxz4TCbRipvAv DoXRNczqOL1jB3VxcMLIifnxRoqXgBKChkcHU3ZTpluYSe2FqkYXDUS+eRImtK93Nao/nKamiweKI QRJ438jLgLBzmUAQoDXi9g==; In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Tue, 03 Dec 2024 02:25:43 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325987 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2024 02:25:43 -0500 > > > Bug#73853 was not about language-design decisions, it was about > > deprecating a macro. > > I can see two possible meanings for what "Bug#73853" refers > to in that sentenbce: > > 1. The original bug report which started that thread in bug-gnu-emacs. > > 2. The discussion thread which started with that bug report. It is both, actually. > Could it be that (1) was about deprecating that macro, > and (2) started off there by wandered into a discussion of > choosing major modes for various programming languages? No. This is a misunderstanding: bug#73853 has nothing to do with choosing major modes. That bug was about and-let* and when-let*, and was brought up here as an example of a discussion that should have been taken to emacs-devel, because it (allegedly) was about the language design of Emacs Lisp. > While the discussion was about deprecating a macro, discussing it > in a bu report ticket made sense. > > Once it changed to be about proposals for controlling major modes, > someone should have moved it to emacs-devel. It never did. Instead, someone in that discussion mentioned in passing some aspects of language design related to the discussion. That was a tangent that fortunately didn't deflect the discussion. I think you confuse this with another bug, bug#69191. That one was about remapping major modes from the get-go.