From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Danilo Segan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Improving the gtk2 port Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:26:43 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <863caazof0.fsf@avet.kvota.net> References: <400C5199.1040100@verizon.net> <5873FE60-4AD9-11D8-BFCB-00039363E640@swipnet.se> <864qur10i8.fsf@avet.kvota.net> <6685402E-4B50-11D8-A04A-00039363E640@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1074611042 28586 80.91.224.253 (20 Jan 2004 15:04:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Pierre Chanial , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 20 16:03:51 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AixPz-0006dl-00 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:03:51 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AixPz-0004T6-00 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:03:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AixNk-0007YV-CY for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:01:32 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AixLx-0007CD-CY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:59:41 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AixEb-0005iv-EF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:52:37 -0500 Original-Received: from [213.244.195.229] (helo=avet.kvota.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AixDf-0005Jh-Oh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:51:08 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 14358 invoked by uid 1001); 20 Jan 2004 14:26:43 -0000 Original-To: "Jan D." In-Reply-To: <6685402E-4B50-11D8-A04A-00039363E640@swipnet.se> (Jan D.'s message of "Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:56:09 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:19337 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:19337 "Jan D." writes: >> Yelp is a Gnome Help system browser, it supports rendering DocBook via >> XSLT, and has earlier (in Gnome 2.4) supported rendering info pages as >> well. I think the latest one (in CVS, to come with Gnome 2.6 in March) >> is not capable of rendering info files anymore, because lead >> developer (Shaun McCance I think) didn't have time to adjust the >> backend with new big changes in the program. >> >> So, it's currently not needed to worry about Yelp-integration, at >> least until Yelp gets info browsing support back. > > Thanks for the info. I'm not sure what is meant by "integration" > though. > Is the suggestion that Emacs use yelp to display info manuals? That's how I got the idea of Pierre Chanial. Though, I may have misunderstood it. (info support in Yelp is still to be desired, because that would also provide another way to access other manuals, not just those of Emacs, but that's not relevant to emacs-devel.) > Why would any Emacs user want that, especially since one has used Emacs > own info reader for several years and on platforms where yelp is not > available? Anyway, you say this is nothing to worry about, so lets not. Yeah, I agree with that. There are many more problems which will probably "plague" Emacs forever (if one considers it a bad thing because it's not "like every other Gnome app"), because Emacs is a completely distinct system: no gettext support for UI translation, UI is tightly bound with documentation (which explains lack of translation support for the UI -- it cannot be separated from documentation), no Pango support etc. So, while I think some things are very useful (Gtk+2 port, DND, copy-paste, even support for accessibility framework of GNOME would be nice to have, etc.), others are not (like using external info reader, as you explain above). Cheers, Danilo