From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Leake Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: non-gnu elpa issue tracking Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 12:46:07 -0800 Message-ID: <86360apxbk.fsf@stephe-leake.org> References: <20201209125516.lenqswi7fhiscbr2@E15-2016.optimum.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36828"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (windows-nt) Cc: Jean Louis , thibaut.verron@gmail.com, Stefan Kangas , Boruch Baum , Emacs developers , Stefan Monnier , Richard Stallman To: Tim Cross Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 12 22:33:30 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1koCW9-0009Sg-Uv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 22:33:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36076 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1koCW9-0005AD-1E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 16:33:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54876) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1koBmU-0007bh-PK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 15:46:18 -0500 Original-Received: from gateway30.websitewelcome.com ([192.185.146.7]:42475) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1koBmS-0003hr-2x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 15:46:18 -0500 Original-Received: from cm16.websitewelcome.com (cm16.websitewelcome.com [100.42.49.19]) by gateway30.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3A02991 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 14:46:12 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from host2007.hostmonster.com ([67.20.76.71]) by cmsmtp with SMTP id oBmOktO3sHPnUoBmOkBJnX; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 14:46:12 -0600 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=stephe-leake.org; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=vL1p8f7Atj4AIeTd2i2gKE/8uJ1AMcYIkeZnP4UbfM0=; b=aBIjdhaPA0wjSFTlsPqE09nkM FgEEL4IpBhWd8Iw9vnrGsUEq19chNfKHPaoBZIOTch1+0gpwAxTa98TTypcwVtvccHrkocFZEuiSW 5JLOpAtHRKOd1U67qSHdSlm3SRRfaPvB6keGvNk5jegoVSKGuezcybhQokv1TFpVXyPqKPrX1N8J1 4xijo5JjzAWYJzt7UKGH8bgbTwBdYRrqBdDzJpED6a2nMF/bu4hKx7fYdwLwc5FdjbkBzG6DE02MF 7AGwobxdEA1oydPT2KPpqunrohgb0p0Odl3jkKUtD5iNEkE508FtNfK8PGKB+GtXH1RGfwpDvpn6N 4zEEeHaQg==; Original-Received: from [76.77.182.20] (port=54267 helo=Takver4) by host2007.hostmonster.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1koBmN-000cDC-Q2; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 13:46:11 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Tim Cross's message of "Sun, 13 Dec 2020 02:37:16 +1100") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host2007.hostmonster.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stephe-leake.org X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 76.77.182.20 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1koBmN-000cDC-Q2 X-Source-Sender: (Takver4) [76.77.182.20]:54267 X-Source-Auth: stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org X-Email-Count: 7 X-Source-Cap: c3RlcGhlbGU7c3RlcGhlbGU7aG9zdDIwMDcuaG9zdG1vbnN0ZXIuY29t X-Local-Domain: yes Received-SPF: neutral client-ip=192.185.146.7; envelope-from=stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org; helo=gateway30.websitewelcome.com X-Spam_score_int: -8 X-Spam_score: -0.9 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260730 Archived-At: Tim Cross writes: > On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 00:50, Stefan Monnier > wrote: > >> > The non-GNU ELPA is supposed to be a repository for packages which are >> GPL >> > compliant and it is a reasonable expectation that those who make their >> > packages GPL compliant do so because they support the philosophical goals >> > of the FSF. >> >> The overwhelming majority of ELisp packages out there are hosted on >> Github (that also applies to many GNU ELPA packages, many of them are >> developed by long time contributors to Emacs), so I think the evidence >> shows the above expectation doesn't hold at all. >> > Maybe. However, it could also be a combination of the fact github was the > first free git hosting environment and is the better known one. Just > because it is this way now doesn't mean it has to be. If the GNU/FSF > doesn't take a clear position on this and do something to discourage the > use of hosting environments that force the use of proprietary software, > this will not change and eventually all we will have are the proprietary > solutions. It may not have been the right decision to allow code which has > assigned copyright to the FSF to remain on Github. However, as non-GNU ELPA > is just getting started, now would be a good time to try and change > things. +1. I think we should encourage people to move away from Github, for both GNU and non-GNU ELPA. Given that many ELPA packages are now on Github, we could have a transition policy, with enforceable deadlines (ie, remove package from *GNU ELPA if still on gitub after deadline). However, I doubt that the Emacs project is capable of such a thing, or that we want to be. So we are left with naming and shaming; in list-packages, show the upstream repository along with the license and other info on a package, and show unacceptable ones in red. That could still be a lot of effort to categorize obscure hosts. Disclaimer; my packages are hosted on Savannah, so any resolution of this will have no direct impact on me. -- -- Stephe