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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Pip Cet <pipcet@protonmail.com>
Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, ofv@wanadoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
	eller.helmut@gmail.com, acorallo@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Some experience with the igc branch
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2024 15:52:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8634i6r3zw.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87frm6d5pa.fsf@protonmail.com> (message from Pip Cet on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:39:53 +0000)

> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:39:53 +0000
> From: Pip Cet <pipcet@protonmail.com>
> Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, ofv@wanadoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org, eller.helmut@gmail.com, acorallo@gnu.org
> 
> >> Instead, we call the SIGSEGV handler directly on the other thread,
> >> passing in the same siginfo structure.
> >
> > How can we call the SIGSEGV handler directly from another thread?  And
> 
> It's a C function.  We call it.

We need to know its name or its address to do that.  It is not our
function.

> > how will that thread know it needs to call the handler in the first
> > place?
> 
> We'd like to just use pthread_cond_signal, but to be POSIXly correct we
> need to do so from another thread.

Ouch!

> >> > how will it know which MPS function to call?
> >>
> >> The MPS SIGSEGV handler is obtained by calling sigaction.
> >
> > That's unreliable: it assumes that no one else calls sigaction after
> > MPS, or changes the chain of handlers in some other way.
> 
> It merely assumes that any such modifications call our signal handler
> with the right arguments, which is precisely what MPS assumes anyway.

Sorry, I don't follow.  We need to know the address of the handler
before the signal happens, no?  So how calling our handler is
relevant?

> > Also, on MS-Windows MPS doesn't use a signal handler (because there
> > are no signals on Windows, really).  It uses an exception handler, and
> 
> Can exception handlers be interrupted by emulated signals running on the
> same stack?

Emulated signals cannot possibly run in the same thread, because they
must be asynchronous events.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-29 13:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 227+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-22 15:40 Some experience with the igc branch Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-22 17:18 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-22 17:29 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-22 17:41 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-22 17:56   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-22 19:11   ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-23  0:05     ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-23  1:00       ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-24 22:34         ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-25  4:25           ` Freezing frame with igc Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 11:19             ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-25 11:55             ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-23  3:42       ` Some experience with the igc branch Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23  6:27     ` Jean Louis
2024-12-22 20:29   ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-22 20:50   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-22 22:26     ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-23  3:23       ` Gerd Möllmann
     [not found]         ` <m234ieddeu.fsf_-_@gmail.com>
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     [not found]             ` <m2frme921u.fsf@gmail.com>
     [not found]               ` <87ldw6ejkv.fsf@protonmail.com>
     [not found]                 ` <m2bjx2h8dh.fsf@gmail.com>
2024-12-23 14:45                   ` Make Signal handling patch platform-dependent? Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-23 14:54                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 15:11                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 13:35       ` Some experience with the igc branch Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 14:03         ` Discussion with MPS people Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 14:04           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 15:07         ` Some experience with the igc branch Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-23 15:26           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 16:03             ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-23 16:44               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 17:16                 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-23 18:35                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 18:48                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 19:25                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 20:30                     ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2024-12-23 23:39                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-24 12:14                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 13:18                           ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-24 13:42                           ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2024-12-24  3:37                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24  8:48                         ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2024-12-24 13:52                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 13:54                             ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2024-12-23 17:44               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 19:00                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 19:37                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 20:49                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 21:43                     ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-23 21:49                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-23 21:58                         ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-23 23:20                           ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-24  5:38                             ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-24  6:27                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 10:09                               ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-24  4:05                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24  8:50                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24  6:03                     ` SIGPROF + SIGCHLD and igc Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24  8:23                       ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-24  8:39                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25  9:22                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-25  9:43                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 13:05                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 10:46                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-25 12:45                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 12:54                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 12:59                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-27  8:08                       ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-27  8:51                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-27 14:53                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-27 15:09                             ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-27 15:19                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 18:50                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-29 19:05                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 19:34                               ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-29 20:08                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 20:50                                   ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-27  8:55                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-27 15:40                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-27 15:53                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-27 11:36                         ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-27 16:14                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-28 10:02                             ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-28 10:50                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 13:52                                 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-28 14:25                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 16:46                                     ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-28 17:35                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 18:08                                         ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-28 19:00                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 19:28                                             ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-28 19:32                                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-28 19:51                                         ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-28 20:43                                           ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-29  5:44                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 12:15                                               ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-29 20:44                                               ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-30 15:03                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-30 16:46                                                   ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-30 17:47                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-30 17:53                                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2024-12-30 18:25                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-30 21:04                                                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-31 12:35                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-31 13:57                                                           ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-31 14:20                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 23:37                   ` Some experience with the igc branch Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-24  4:03                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 10:25                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-24 10:50                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 13:15                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 12:26                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 12:56                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 13:19                           ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-24 13:38                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 13:46                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 14:12                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 14:40                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25  4:56                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 12:19                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 12:50                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 13:00                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 13:08                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 13:26                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 14:07                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 14:43                                               ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-25 14:59                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 20:44                                                   ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-26  6:29                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-26  8:02                                                       ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-26  9:32                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-26 12:24                                                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-26 15:23                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-26 23:29                                                               ` Paul Eggert
2024-12-27  7:57                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-27 19:34                                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2024-12-28  8:06                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 20:44                                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2024-12-29  5:47                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 19:09                                                                           ` Paul Eggert
2024-12-29 19:20                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 19:30                                                                               ` Paul Eggert
2024-12-29 20:01                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-30  7:55                                                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2024-12-25 15:02                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 13:09                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 13:46                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 14:37                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 14:57                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 15:28                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 15:49                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 17:26                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-26  5:25                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-26  7:43                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-26  7:57                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-26 11:56                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-26 15:27                                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-26 19:51                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-27  9:45                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-27 13:56                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-27 15:01                                                                   ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-27 15:28                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-27 15:47                                                                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-27 16:18                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-28  9:10                                                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-28  9:20                                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-28  9:24                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-27 16:05                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-27 17:00                                                                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-27 16:37                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-27 17:26                                                                     ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-27 19:12                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-28  7:36                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 12:35                                                                         ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-28 12:51                                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-28 13:13                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28  9:29                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 13:12                                                                         ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-28 14:08                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-27 18:21                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-27 19:23                                                                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-27 20:28                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-28 10:39                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 11:07                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-28 11:23                                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-28 14:04                                                                           ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-28 14:25                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-28 16:27                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28  6:08                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 17:40                                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-25 17:51                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-26 15:24                                           ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-26 15:57                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-27 14:34                                               ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-27 15:58                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-27 16:42                                                   ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-28 18:02                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 21:05                                                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-29  6:15                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 12:39                                                           ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-29 13:52                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-12-29 17:14                                                               ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-26  5:27                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-26  5:29                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 21:18                               ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-25  5:23                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 10:48                                   ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-25 13:40                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-25 17:03                                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-26  5:22                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-26  7:33                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-26  8:02                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-26 15:50                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-26 16:13                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-26 19:40                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-26 17:01                                               ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-26 19:45                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-26 20:05                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-26 20:12                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-26 16:12                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-26 17:05                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 11:48                                   ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-25 11:58                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 12:52                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 12:31                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 12:54                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 12:11                     ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-12-27  9:49 Sean Devlin
2024-12-27 12:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28  1:55   ` Sean Devlin

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