From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alexandre Garreau Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: sqlite3 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 12:49:19 +0100 Message-ID: <86300242.Fl97AiZBRe@galex-713.eu> References: <874k7ljwkr.fsf@gnus.org> <30481974.kaMCLG49cH@galex-713.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31171"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Qiantan Hong , rms@gnu.org, eric@ericabrahamsen.net, cesar.mena@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, luangruo@yahoo.com, Alexandre Garreau , Alan Mackenzie , Eli Zaretskii To: Karl Fogel , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 16 12:51:44 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mxpIW-0007yI-7f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 12:51:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45256 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxpIU-0000r2-Kd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 06:51:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38926) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxpHR-0008Tp-J8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 06:50:37 -0500 Original-Received: from [2a00:5884:8305::1] (port=56080 helo=galex-713.eu) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxpHP-0002ao-P6; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 06:50:37 -0500 Original-Received: from gal by galex-713.eu with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1mxpGB-000DgI-TA; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 12:49:19 +0100 In-Reply-To: <30481974.kaMCLG49cH@galex-713.eu> X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2a00:5884:8305::1 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:5884:8305::1; envelope-from=galex-713@galex-713.eu; helo=galex-713.eu X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282150 Archived-At: Le merkredo, 15-a de decembro 2021, 2-a horo kaj 36:01 CET Alexandre=20 Garreau a =C3=A9crit : > However, I feel like the core point that many must feel and that would > justify all these lengthy and not always that much dense discussions is > that SQLite is actually very useful, very demanded, very popular, and > that=E2=80=99s precisely the problem. SQLite has been described, as long= with > ZLib, as =E2=80=9Cone of the two most used software on the planet=E2=80= =9D, it=E2=80=99s almost > everywhere, so the network effect is *extremely powerful* in their > favor. >=20 > I feel that this power is feared, because then the fear that a > dependency on sqlite *will* appear, as soon as it=E2=80=99s allowed, scar= es > some users. I understand the idea of =E2=80=9Cunlispiness=E2=80=9D of it= , personally, > and I indeed feel we=E2=80=99re growing more akin to standard software th= an to > the lisp world=E2=80=A6 after some coincidental experience yesterday night, I discovered this=20 reaction is very very akin to the one some people may have in front of=20 english, esperanto or similar language when exposed to it with a fear it=20 may overcome, while they=E2=80=99re unused to it. fear of powerful and goo= d stuff,=20 because they might become essential