From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: gerd.moellmann@t-online.de (Gerd Moellmann) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.bidi Subject: Re: merge emacs-bidi into the main tree Date: 09 Aug 2003 17:04:09 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <861xvu50uu.fsf@gerd.free-bsd.org> References: <87lluax3ch.fsf@emacswiki.org> <7458-Sun03Aug2003224354+0300-eliz@elta.co.il> <87smoi9p64.fsf@emacswiki.org> <87he4x5v7x.fsf_-_@emacswiki.org> <86brv0wfyn.fsf@gerd.free-bsd.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1060441569 20856 80.91.224.253 (9 Aug 2003 15:06:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 15:06:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@elta.co.il, emacs-devel@gnu.org, emacs-bidi@gnu.org, developer@arabeyes.org, alex@emacswiki.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 09 17:06:06 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19lVIE-0002H5-00 for ; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 17:06:06 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19lVOc-0002jc-00 for ; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 17:12:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19lVHx-0003YV-4q for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 11:05:49 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19lVHi-0003Kl-SU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 11:05:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19lVHA-0002FI-2E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 11:05:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [194.25.134.81] (helo=mailout03.sul.t-online.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19lVGc-0000fR-GL; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 11:04:26 -0400 Original-Received: from fwd06.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19lVGa-00061H-0A; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 17:04:24 +0200 Original-Received: from gerd.free-bsd.org (Z2Ut4uZ6Qe1c7vIjfp4+LxIplE2OaDMRCTYMMXa6SET7-08hCNLrYu@[217.230.99.64]) by fwd06.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 19lVGX-1gS6oi0; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 17:04:21 +0200 Original-Received: from gerd.free-bsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gerd.free-bsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h79F4Dlf000761; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 17:04:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gerd.moellmann@t-online.de) Original-Received: (from gerd@localhost) by gerd.free-bsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h79F49Z0000758; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 17:04:09 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: gerd.free-bsd.org: gerd set sender to gerd.moellmann@t-online.de using -f Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 X-Seen: false X-ID: Z2Ut4uZ6Qe1c7vIjfp4+LxIplE2OaDMRCTYMMXa6SET7-08hCNLrYu X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:15858 gmane.emacs.bidi:129 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:15858 Richard Stallman writes: > IIRC, I was worried that it might be a dead end, sort of a hack, which > users of r2l languages wouldn't be happy with in the long term. > > That may be true--but even if that is true, but might be a good thing > to install it now. Sure, we would like something better such as Eli > is working on, but I don't think he will have it ready soon. > If that will take another two years, we may as well have the emacs-bidi > code in the mean time, rather than nothing. That's true, no argument, if nobody steps up to finish Eli's implementation. I think it would be unfortunate though, and that's why I mentioned the dead end, if users really get unhappy and redisplay is hacked to improve performance in the right-to-left case based on a presumable temporary solution.