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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Adding a generic mathematical library
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2024 09:05:27 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <861q38ydzs.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87sevpi7py.fsf@dataswamp.org> (message from Emanuel Berg on Wed,  31 Jul 2024 23:15:21 +0200)

> From: Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org>
> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 23:15:21 +0200
> 
> Michael Heerdegen via "Emacs development discussions." wrote:
> 
> >> It is much better to just say "we have decided not to do
> >> it" in post one.
> >
> > Nobody decided anything. Eli and others have to keep an eye
> > on that what people contribute fits into Emacs and doesn't
> > cause problems in the future.
> >
> > You started a discussion, valid questions and concerns have
> > been raised in response, and you just don't answer them, you
> > ignore valid questions.
> 
> Yes, I ignore, or optimally that would be the case anyway,
> anything and everything that has to do with _me_ whenever
> there is, or should be, a discussion about something else.

It is not about _you_, it's about the ideas you express and the code
you post.  Ignoring questions and concerns about those because you
interpret them as personal attacks is not wise, because it doesn't
advance the discussion in any constructive direction.

> If we, collectively, want generic libraries instead of having
> everything everywhere (and math in Calc as well as local
> code), then let's do it.
> 
> If we, collectively, don't want to do it for whatever reason,
> that's fine - but then just don't say it is because something
> that has to do with _me_.

Nothing in Emacs is done "collectively", ever.  Every progress in
Emacs is always a work of a single motivated individual, sometimes
with help from a small group of others who suggest changes and debug
and fix problems in the initial code.

So for any of this to happen, someone, a single person, should show
code for such a library, and the code must exhibit a good design and
in this case also use high-quality algorithms that provide accurate
and numerically-stable results.  I've not yet seen any such designs or
implementations suggested in this discussion, with the single possible
exception of a library that provides wrappers around Calc (which I
think you didn't like).



  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-01  6:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-27 19:07 Adding a generic mathematical library Shouran Ma
2024-07-27 19:23 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-28  0:29   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-28 10:58     ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-28 11:39       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-28 12:28         ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-28 13:02           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-30  2:53     ` Richard Stallman
2024-07-30  3:53       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-30  6:26       ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-30  7:20         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-30 11:30           ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-30 22:56             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-31 16:00               ` Michael Heerdegen via Emacs development discussions.
2024-07-31 21:15                 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-01  6:05                   ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-08-01  6:42                     ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-31 21:26                 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-27 19:40 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-28  0:24   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-28 13:34   ` Immanuel Litzroth
2024-07-28 13:56     ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-28 14:07       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-28 10:46 ` Emanuel Berg
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-07-27 14:57 Shouran Ma
2024-07-27 15:49 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-23 20:00 Kepa
2024-07-25  4:19 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-25 11:32   ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-25 14:20     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-07-25 15:16       ` T.V Raman
2024-07-25 15:34       ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-25 17:12         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-25 17:25       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-25 14:24     ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-25 15:49       ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-25 17:23         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-12 16:47 Add elisa to GNU ELPA Sergey Kostyaev
2024-07-16 12:54 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-07-16 13:57   ` Sergey Kostyaev
2024-07-16 16:04     ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-07-16 16:41       ` Sergey Kostyaev
2024-07-16 17:02         ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-07-16 17:47           ` Adding a generic mathematical library Philip Kaludercic
2024-07-16 22:06             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-17  2:54               ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-17  5:58                 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-19 16:16               ` Richard Stallman
2024-07-19 17:38                 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-21  5:20                   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-20 12:45                 ` Max Nikulin
2024-07-20 13:53                   ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-21  5:19                 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-21  6:15                   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-21  7:40                     ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-21  8:45                       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-21  8:29                     ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-21  7:27                   ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-21  8:03                     ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-21  9:14                       ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-21  9:48                         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-21 11:20                           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-21 11:53                             ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-21 12:10                               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-21 12:27                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-21 12:46                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-21 13:03                                   ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-21 13:17                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-21 14:33                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-21 14:41                                         ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-21 14:49                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-21 14:58                                             ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-21 15:02                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-21 15:18                                                 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-21 13:18                                     ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-21 13:26                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-21 14:35                                         ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-21 19:28                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-21 19:33                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-21 19:51                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-21 20:01                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-21 20:17                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-21 12:41                                 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-21 13:13                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-21 13:41                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-21 12:20                               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-21 12:04                             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-17  7:09             ` Michael Heerdegen via Emacs development discussions.
2024-07-17  7:54               ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-07-17  7:56               ` Michael Heerdegen via Emacs development discussions.
2024-07-18  6:07                 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-18  6:45                   ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-18  7:12                     ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-18  7:49                       ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-21  4:56                         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-18  7:29                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-18  7:57                     ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-18  9:03                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-21  4:52                         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-18  8:15                     ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-18  9:04                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-18  9:13                       ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-21  4:59                         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-19 13:22                       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-07-19 16:12                         ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-19 16:15                           ` Stefan Kangas
2024-07-19 16:29                             ` Christopher Dimech
2024-07-19 16:16               ` Richard Stallman
2024-07-19 18:00                 ` Christopher Dimech

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