From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: obsolete comment in tool-bar.el Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:56:07 +0200 Message-ID: <85y88dfcqw.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <200507071915.j67JFZT29961@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200507090235.j692ZER04883@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200507110321.j6B3LgG09526@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1121105591 28784 80.91.229.2 (11 Jul 2005 18:13:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:13:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Luc Teirlinck , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 11 20:13:09 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ds2le-0007KI-3K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:12:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ds2nE-000595-1i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:14:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ds2g9-0002lI-OM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:06:54 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ds2fp-0002Yn-VF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:06:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ds2fn-0002X1-Hn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:06:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ds2dW-00053H-7v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:04:10 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ds2St-0001G3-Qv; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:53:16 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 4BB3E1C40B63; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:56:07 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard M. Stallman's message of "Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:53:45 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:40792 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:40792 "Richard M. Stallman" writes: > This is good, but > > + These two functions are only meant for options defined in pre-loaded > + files, where some variables or functions used to compute the option's > + value may not yet be defined. The option normally gets updated in > + @file{startup.el}, ignoring the previously computed value. Because of > + this typical usage, the value which these two functions compute > + normally only matters when, after startup, one unsets the option's > + value and then reevaluates the defcustom. > > To make that really clear, I think you should add: > > By that time, the necessary variables and functions will be defined, > so there will not be an error. Stupid question: instead of having two initialization functions that need to replace the normal initializers for preloaded stuff, wouldn't it be easier to simply redefine the _standard_ initialization functions in an Emacs used for dumping? That way, one would not need to have to adapt custom definitions that are going to be dumped. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum