From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: --with-gtk as default? Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:43:53 +0100 Message-ID: <85wt23idxi.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1172605462 14792 80.91.229.12 (27 Feb 2007 19:44:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:44:22 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 27 20:44:14 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HM8FA-0000RM-Et for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:44:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HM8FA-00074k-9L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:44:12 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HM8Ez-00072N-61 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:44:01 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HM8Ex-00070g-LM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:44:00 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HM8Ex-00070O-Bg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:43:59 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-02.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.42]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1HM8Ex-0008Eq-0B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:43:59 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-02-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-02-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.14]) by mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E87532E70B for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:43:55 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (mail-in-07.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.47]) by mail-in-02-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605A4113FA8 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:43:55 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-055-100.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.55.100]) by mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EFA7292B6C for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:43:55 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id E63CF1D17415; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:43:53 +0100 (CET) User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.94 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:66941 Archived-At: Given that GNOME is considered part of the GNU project, should not be --with-gtk be the default for compiling Emacs rather than Athena widgets, at least where GTK+ is available? Athena widgets are really quite ghastly to look at, don't get antialiasing IIRC and are a bad choice for the _default_ look of Emacs as it will probably get distributed by OS distributors unless we change the default. It is ok to have Xaw as a fallback and on demand, but we also use GNOME icons and stuff, and the resulting optics would be quite more consistent. While my personal choice (GTK+ widgets but Lucid scrollbar) is not fit for a default, I definitely think I would rather live with the GTK+ scrollbar semantics (and/or nag the GTK developers to make their behavior customizable) than the Athena looks. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum