From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Selection-set editing without VC-dired Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:40:41 +0100 Message-ID: <85wsqww8ie.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <20071230142812.C8027CF80B9@golux.thyrsus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199025626 2390 80.91.229.12 (30 Dec 2007 14:40:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:40:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Eric S. Raymond" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 30 15:40:28 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J8zL2-0005UH-1h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:40:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J8zKf-00058T-6B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:40:05 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J8zKa-00057p-Md for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:40:00 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J8zKY-00057N-2C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:40:00 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J8zKX-00057K-PI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:39:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-16.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.56]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J8zKX-0006Ds-Pi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:39:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-18-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-18-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.35]) by mail-in-16.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D771A6ABF; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:39:55 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-in-12.arcor-online.net (mail-in-12.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.52]) by mail-in-18-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94B1510048; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:39:55 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-035-217.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.35.217]) by mail-in-12.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CF48C476; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:39:41 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 21DF61C4CE23; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:40:40 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <20071230142812.C8027CF80B9@golux.thyrsus.com> (Eric S. Raymond's message of "Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:28:12 -0500 (EST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/5294/Sun Dec 30 14:40:23 2007 on mail-in-12.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:85684 Archived-At: "Eric S. Raymond" writes: > The selection-set editing commands I proposed in a reply to David > Kastrup would be easy to implement. However, on reflection, I am > not at all sure doing so would be wise design. > > In general, I think it is better to have one UI method that works well > than lots of semi-gratuitous knobs and switches. And I might want to > use C-x v + and C-x v - for something else someday. > > So, I'm not outright rejecting the idea of a non-VC-Dired UI for > specifying selection sets. But I think it would be better for > now if I continued to focus on making VC-Dired so fast that > you won't really want or need an alternate set-editing method. PCL-CVS is certainly fast enough but I still consider having to use it (or other directory-based methods) for multi-file commits a crutch and inconvenience. There is no point in having to go through a directory listing when committing two files already loaded and edited in buffers. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum