From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GTK file selector Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:14:15 +0100 Message-ID: <85vexm61rc.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <1134552456.439fe58850f31@imp5-g19.free.fr> <878xuma53q.fsf@jurta.org> <17313.37186.344268.487103@parhasard.net> <87d5jxsgib.fsf@jurta.org> <17314.42778.220813.47226@parhasard.net> <17315.7877.155144.973236@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <87oe3fbsma.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <17316.62086.270087.143319@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1134908719 4068 80.91.229.2 (18 Dec 2005 12:25:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Aidan Kehoe , Juri Linkov , "Stephen J. Turnbull" , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 18 13:25:17 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Enxah-0000Hb-9Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:24:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnxbU-0003c9-EH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:25:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnxWJ-0008CM-TM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:20:08 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnxWI-0008Ac-Fl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:20:06 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnxWH-00089q-Py for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:20:05 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EnxZ3-0007zf-2j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:22:57 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EnxTl-0001Bl-2T; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:17:29 -0500 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 6D4AB1C4F93D; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:14:16 +0100 (CET) Original-To: Nick Roberts In-Reply-To: <17316.62086.270087.143319@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> (Nick Roberts's message of "Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:24:22 +1300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:47990 Archived-At: Nick Roberts writes: > > ...You may have noticed the presence of a prominent former > > XEmacs developer (Hrvoje Niksic) recently on this list. Although > > he made it clear that he didn't have time to work around the > > specific problems he has with XEmacs, and so has turned to the > > mainline again, he also expressed his dismay that even with his > > customized Emacs environment, there are still many features > > missing that come with (say) Eclipse out of the box. > > Exactly. ISTR that Hrvoje contributed to Emacs development, even > though he may not share the whole vision. If Aidan chooses to do > the same, I am sure that will be welcome too. I don't think there is any question about that. A significant part of the original Emacs/XEmacs animosoties arose exactly because of an expressed preference for developer mindshare over actual code from XEmacs. But while I certainly am glad for people joining Emacs development, even those that do just with a focus on coordinating compatibility, I find it troublesome that the alternatives for them seemingly have lost attraction. I don't think that ideology is involved in the decisions for the bulk of developers and users, and so the question remains what has changed in the last 10 years to make an independent free software project with considerable developer base appear to slump in that manner. Maybe it is because Emacsen as a whole have dropped out of corporate attention, and this impacted XEmacs' position more than that of Emacs. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum