From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Keybinding nit Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:46:52 +0200 Message-ID: <85vemgowxv.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <85d58p7hyu.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85irig78t9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <17719.56017.158858.353004@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1161359264 16466 80.91.229.2 (20 Oct 2006 15:47:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:47:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 20 17:47:38 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gawat-0005sh-PA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:47:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gawas-0002Cl-UQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:47:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Gaeo2-0004YX-NF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:47:58 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Gaeo2-0004WP-5r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:47:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gaeo1-0004W9-TL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:47:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gaeo2-0008JW-2a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:47:58 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Gaenu-0002Ma-M9; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:47:50 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id E00061C4F93E; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:46:52 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: Nick Roberts In-Reply-To: <17719.56017.158858.353004@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> (Nick Roberts's message of "Fri\, 20 Oct 2006 09\:06\:41 +1300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:60930 Archived-At: Nick Roberts writes: > > > C-x 4 0 and C-x 5 0 are not at all symmetric, and C-x 4 0 is not > > > really intuitive. > > > > > > Maybe one should rather have C-x 4 k and C-x 5 k for killing both > > > buffer and window/frame? > > > > > > Since C-x k reads a buffer name, I would expect C-x 4 k to > > > read a buffer name also. > > > > Well, I wouldn't (there are quite a few keybindings where "k" just > > kills something). And since neither C-x 0 nor C-x 5 0 kills a buffer, > > I would not expect C-x 4 0 to do it, either. > > > > It all boils down to what feels more natural and expected. Of course > > that is a matter of personal taste, and I like to think my taste is > > not too far out here. Other opinions? > > If you mean move C-x 4 0 to C-x 5 k, I agree. (I'm not sure what you want > C-x 4 k to do). Serves me right. If it weren't for disagreement, I'd have no agreement at all. I'd have proposed to move C-x 4 0 (`kill-buffer-and-window') to C-x 4 k and have C-x 5 k be mapped to `kill-buffer-and-frame' (which does not yet exist). -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum