From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Default of jit-lock-stealth-time Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:56:07 +0100 Message-ID: <85vehlot48.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <85tzxazb8r.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1172764593 30489 80.91.229.12 (1 Mar 2007 15:56:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 01 16:56:24 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HMndo-0004kL-2S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:56:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HMndp-0007VK-Uh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:56:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HMnde-0007SU-9H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:56:14 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HMndc-0007Qe-IA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:56:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HMndc-0007QY-Ek for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:56:12 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-03.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.43]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1HMnda-0002dv-Co; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:56:10 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-09-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.21]) by mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C4427645B; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:56:09 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-in-13.arcor-online.net (mail-in-13.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.53]) by mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF4B928EF3A; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:56:08 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-096-134.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.96.134]) by mail-in-13.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FFAB31D8F0; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:56:08 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 9B6551C4D3B2; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:56:07 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu\, 01 Mar 2007 10\:18\:09 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.94 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:67142 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> My recollection is that they do annoy, but I will need to time things >> to give more accurate information instead of hand-waving. > >> I don't need _more accurate_ information, just confirmation. I would >> like you to try turning off stealth fontification and see if you are >> frequently annoyed by the need to fontify on the fly. It does not >> need to be a quantitative measurement. > > Actually, a better test would be to put > > (if (zerop (random 1)) (setq jit-lock-stealth-time nil)) > > in your .emacs. Do we have a JOKES files for inadvertent jokes? > And then check the value of jit-lock-stealth-time every time you > notice a delay (after which, you'll want to restart jit-lock, which > basically means restart Emacs). > > This should bring the experiment a bit closer to the "double blind" > gold standard. "double blind" only if he does not notice that (zerop (random 1)) is always t. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum