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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, Lute.Kamstra.lists@xs4all.nl, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist.
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:33:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <85u0m19lrd.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvy8bdqin7.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:57:59 -0400")

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>>> I of course understand why it would override them, but not why it
>>> would set major-mode to `latex-mode' rather than to `LaTeX-mode'.
>>> 
>>> In my opinion, LaTeX-mode is the AUCTeX major mode, while
>>> latex-mode can be either, depending on the user's preference.
>
>> You are confusing the value of the major-mode variable with the
>> invocation.
>
> No such confusion: I'm quite aware of the difference.  I may be
> misrepresenting things because looking at the current auctex CVS code
> I can't see where LaTeX-mode is defined.
>
> The variable `major-mode' *should* hold the function corresponding
> to this invocation, so you can return to the current major mode by
> calling it.

There is no point in using both latex-mode and LaTeX-mode to mean
something differently.  There is a (albeit minor) point to using both
plain-tex-mode from tex-mode.el and LaTeX-mode from AUCTeX, though.

> It's used for C-h m for example, and probably by other things
> (e.g. clone-buffer, maybe mmm-mode, some hacks to "temporarily
> switch major mode", ...).
>
>> The invocation "LaTeX-mode" installs latex-mode with AUCTeX
>> keybindings, syntax tables, mode hooks and variables.
>
> In my opinion, calling LaTeX-mode should install LaTeX-mode.

That would mean that pretty much all mode-sensitive functions from
AUCTeX would break if you tried using them in a latex-mode started
session and vice versa.  I don't see the point in providing different
function bindings to latex-mode and LaTeX-mode.

>> Except that it makes it harder to have unload-feature restore the
>> state previous to the loading.
>
> Yes, but you can't rely on unload-feature restoring the previous
> state anyway because it's broken, so it's not like it makes things
> worse.

I am relying on that part of the behavior that is not broken.  If I
insisted on using and programming for only systems that are completely
unbroken in all respects, I'd not be using a computer.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-20 21:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-19 15:23 Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist Lute Kamstra
2005-04-19 16:25 ` David Kastrup
2005-04-19 17:44   ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-19 21:28     ` David Kastrup
2005-04-19 21:58       ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-19 22:33         ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 18:52           ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-24 20:24             ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-24 20:50               ` David Kastrup
2005-04-24 21:51                 ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-24 22:00                   ` David Kastrup
2005-04-24 23:37                     ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-25  0:07                       ` David Kastrup
2005-04-26 10:04                       ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-20 19:22           ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-19 23:01         ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-19 23:14         ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-19 23:24           ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 18:41             ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 19:00               ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 19:18                 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 19:50                   ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 19:29               ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-20 14:57           ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-20 15:59             ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-21 15:30               ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-21 16:35                 ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-22 20:51                   ` David Kastrup
2005-04-23 21:00                     ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-23 22:10                       ` David Kastrup
2005-04-24 20:21                         ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-24 20:32                           ` David Kastrup
2005-04-24 20:52                             ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-25 16:05                             ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-23 22:24                     ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-20 14:57         ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-20 15:02           ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 15:57             ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 18:37               ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 19:19                 ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 20:11                   ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 20:25                     ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 20:57                       ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 21:33                         ` David Kastrup [this message]
2005-04-20 16:25             ` Andreas Schwab
2005-04-20 16:57               ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 22:47                 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-04-20 22:58                   ` David Kastrup
2005-04-21  9:56                     ` Andreas Schwab
2005-04-21 10:12                       ` David Kastrup
2005-04-21 11:50                         ` Andreas Schwab
2005-04-21 19:56                         ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-21 20:13                           ` David Kastrup
2005-04-23 16:15                             ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-23 16:23                               ` David Kastrup
2005-04-23 16:15                           ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-21 11:41                       ` Johan Vromans
2005-04-20 15:43           ` David Kastrup
2005-04-21 15:30             ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-21 17:46               ` David Kastrup
2005-04-23 16:15                 ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-19 22:00       ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-19 23:22       ` Andreas Schwab
2005-04-19 23:33         ` David Kastrup
2005-04-19 21:05   ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-20 14:57     ` Richard Stallman

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