From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info tutorial is out of date Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:49:14 +0200 Message-ID: <85u05h30f9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1153072202 23901 80.91.229.2 (16 Jul 2006 17:50:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 17:50:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 16 19:50:01 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2Akc-0002G9-GJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:49:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2Akb-00071Q-SW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:49:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2AkP-0006yi-3p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:49:41 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2AkO-0006yB-Fe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:49:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2AkO-0006y6-CD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:49:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G2Ams-0004mh-Hy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:52:14 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1G2AkN-0001yQ-Lk; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:49:39 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 83CAF1C3C79A; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:49:14 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: "Drew Adams" In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:33:42 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:57109 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: > > Another in the Mouseless-That-Roared camp, eh? A small, but very > > vocal and militant minority, apparently. > > It does not give you any thoughts that from your "majority", you are > the only one to speak up? > > Hmm, now that you mention it... Maybe emacs-devel is a bit out of touch with > noobs? > > Nah, that's not fair. Maybe 3 or 4 people on emacs-devel are? > > Nah, the point is that newbies are the target for the tutorial, and they are > not subscribed to the list. I'm not the only one who can speak for them, of > course, but I didn't see any arguments from you 3 that spoke to newbie > needs. You basically went on an anti-mouse rampage. It is not a productive style of discussion to discard every argument not leading to the desired result by using deprecatory invectives. I repeat: there is little sense in telling people how to do complicated things with the keyboard without telling them how to do the simple things. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum