From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: html-mode demanding a bit too tight Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:22:58 +0200 Message-ID: <85tzv2xrnh.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <87647ooxwm.fsf@zip.com.au> <462CC030.8030203@gmail.com> <87mz0y8vyk.fsf@zip.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1177664018 14484 80.91.229.12 (27 Apr 2007 08:53:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:53:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Glenn Morris , user42@zip.com.au, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 27 10:53:36 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HhMCu-0005XN-1i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:53:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HhMIi-0006N9-Vv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:59:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HhMIK-0006BX-9P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:59:12 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HhMII-0006At-Rv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:59:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HhMII-0006Ae-CI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:59:10 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HhMCS-0003yA-I6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:53:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HhM9e-0006J6-Su; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:50:15 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 5EFFC1C1342B; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:22:58 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri\, 27 Apr 2007 01\:59\:32 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.98 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:70230 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > I think if you install a ~150 line patch that affects how modes are > selected, another pretest will be needed. > > Please do not exaggerate. There are about 52 lines of code changes, > bu most of them are just indentation changes. Real changes are about > 20 lines. > > But I agree we should make one more pretest. > > This problem really bothers people, so we should not leave it unfixed. Richard, Emacs contains _thousands_ of files and functions and modes. Of _course_ some detail will _always_ bother somebody. We are trying to roll a _release_ here. Doing changes in a central area affecting all modes, in order to appease a small minority of users having a problem with details of a single mode is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!! in this phase of development. We will _never_ _ever_ be able to release Emacs with this sort of mixed-up priorities at work. I am going to a conference today where I'll be presenting AUCTeX and the "upcoming" Emacs 22 again, like I did for _several_ years. And I will be doing the same for years to come, earning a laughing stock life time award if the release process does not get a grip. You may be basking in the illusion that this increases the quality of the released Emacs. I severely doubt that. It just stops the _qualified_ developers from making more important reports in order to not hold up the release, and hope that the trickling of irrelevant reports will at one point of time cease for long enough to let Emacs 22 escape from your hands and give it to the public. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum