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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: Stephen Berman <Stephen.Berman@gmx.net>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Initial splash screen
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:09:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <85tzszda4m.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87645g6ph5.fsf@escher.local.home> (Stephen Berman's message of "Fri\, 22 Jun 2007 16\:19\:50 +0200")

Stephen Berman <Stephen.Berman@gmx.net> writes:

> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:43:01 +0200 David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> wrote:
>
>>                       and starting Emacs without a filename gives
>> us a frame where nothing useful can be displayed yet.
>
> Well, that's what being debated in the thread I forked off of; many
> people do find an initial *scratch* buffer useful.

The initial *scratch* buffer is useful for _writing_ (which will
obliterate the splash screen just fine).  An initial _file_ buffer in
contrast, is supposed to be useful for _reading_, and one can't start
reading as long as the splash screen is blocking the reading.

>> So there is no point in not showing the splash screen indefinitely
>> if we are called without file name.
>
> If by `indefinitely' you mean upon every invocation, again, the
> point is the same as the reason for having inhibit-splash-screen,
> whose effect is not constrained to starting Emacs with a file name.

Which is a mistake in my book: people have reported the habit of just
starting another Emacs without file name if they find themselves in
want of reading up on the splash screen.  Having inhibit-splash-screen
not able to discriminate between the with-file and without-file
invocation takes away this expedience.

>> But _with_ a file name, the situation is different, and we should
>> cater for it differently.
>
> I don't see such a difference: the information in the splash screen
> should be learned even if a user always starts Emacs with a file
> name (and once the information is learned, the splash screen need
> not appear any more, even if you start Emacs without a file name).

You are assuming a perfect memory.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-22 20:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-21  3:49 A wish, a plea Hacksaw
2007-06-21 18:50 ` Davis Herring
2007-06-21 18:57   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-21 19:12     ` Davis Herring
2007-06-22 16:24       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-21 18:55 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-22  3:59   ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-21 19:07     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-21 19:17     ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-21 21:53       ` Frank Schmitt
2007-06-22  0:36       ` Taylor Venable
2007-06-21 19:43     ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22  3:57 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-21 20:56   ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-22  6:27     ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-21 21:36       ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 16:24       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 17:27         ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-22 21:53           ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-21 21:19   ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-21 21:26     ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22  6:36     ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-21 22:08       ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-21 23:04         ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22  6:51           ` csant
2007-06-22 16:24           ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 17:12             ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22 21:53               ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25 20:47               ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-25 21:05                 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-25 21:30                   ` Drew Adams
2007-06-25 21:30                 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22  8:03         ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-22  8:11           ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22  8:21             ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22  8:33             ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-22 12:37               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-22 12:43                 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 12:51                   ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-22 13:08                     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 13:16                       ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 12:57                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-22 18:46                 ` Glenn Morris
2007-06-22 19:50                   ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-22 19:58                     ` Glenn Morris
2007-06-22 20:22                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-22 10:23             ` Initial splash screen (was Re: A wish, a plea) Stephen Berman
2007-06-22 11:43               ` Initial splash screen David Kastrup
2007-06-22 14:19                 ` Stephen Berman
2007-06-22 20:09                   ` David Kastrup [this message]
2007-06-22 23:07                     ` Stephen Berman
2007-06-22 21:53               ` Initial splash screen (was Re: A wish, a plea) Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 22:11                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-23 13:19                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 14:57                     ` Initial splash screen David Kastrup
2007-06-22 22:46                 ` Initial splash screen (was Re: A wish, a plea) Stephen Berman
2007-06-23  6:42                   ` Initial splash screen David Kastrup
2007-06-23 10:43                     ` Stephen Berman
2007-06-23 18:27                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 19:05                       ` David Kastrup
2007-06-25 13:19                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25 13:34                           ` Mathias Dahl
2007-06-25 13:38                             ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 18:51             ` A wish, a plea Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 20:05               ` David Kastrup
2007-06-23 13:19                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 14:45                   ` David Kastrup
2007-06-23 19:39                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-24 14:41                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 19:02             ` Ryan Yeske
2007-06-28  1:04             ` Davis Herring
2007-06-22 16:24         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 16:36           ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-22 21:53             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23  6:21               ` David Kastrup
2007-06-23 18:27                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 18:58                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2007-06-23 19:07                   ` David Kastrup
2007-06-24 14:41                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 19:47                   ` Hacksaw
2007-06-24 15:13                     ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-24 17:18                       ` Hacksaw
2007-06-24 23:46                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25  8:07                           ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-21 23:18       ` Andreas Schwab
2007-06-22  7:57       ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-22  8:01         ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-22  8:16         ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22  8:32           ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22  9:06             ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22  9:20               ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22  9:55                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22  8:01 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-22  8:15   ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-22  8:19   ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-22 11:58     ` David House
2007-06-22  8:20   ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 13:19     ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22 13:33       ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 14:23       ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-22 14:34         ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 15:10           ` David House
2007-06-22 15:31         ` Drew Adams
2007-06-23 23:48       ` Johan Bockgård
2007-06-24  0:06         ` Drew Adams
2007-06-24  0:15           ` David Kastrup
2007-06-24  1:17             ` Drew Adams
2007-06-24 10:15               ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-24 14:05                 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-24 14:22                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-24 14:28                     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-25 20:47         ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-25 21:28           ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22  8:41   ` Glyn Millington
2007-06-22 11:54     ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 12:33       ` Glyn Millington
2007-06-22  9:03   ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22 14:02   ` Denis Bueno

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