From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-h K and C-h F in the Help menu Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 12:11:14 +0200 Message-ID: <85sln3bscd.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <446F87C6.4090109@student.lu.se> <85hd3k9y22.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <446F9027.50409@student.lu.se> <85bqts9wjx.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <7dbe73ed0605201544u3e34e12fx3eab4307e653671c@mail.gmail.com> <853bf49uft.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <7dbe73ed0605210257n6e89d6b8vdba5561fcc93c3bd@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1148206322 16322 80.91.229.2 (21 May 2006 10:12:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 10:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lennart Borgman , Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 21 12:12:00 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fhkuh-0005st-A3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 May 2006 12:11:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fhkug-0004qu-PM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 May 2006 06:11:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FhkuS-0004qG-QX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 May 2006 06:11:40 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FhkuS-0004pp-7f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 May 2006 06:11:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FhkuS-0004pl-4N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 May 2006 06:11:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FhkyC-0006gU-6U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 May 2006 06:15:32 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FhkuR-0002p4-AC; Sun, 21 May 2006 06:11:39 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id B63BC1C27933; Sun, 21 May 2006 12:11:14 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: "Mathias Dahl" In-Reply-To: <7dbe73ed0605210257n6e89d6b8vdba5561fcc93c3bd@mail.gmail.com> (Mathias Dahl's message of "Sun, 21 May 2006 11:57:47 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:54939 Archived-At: "Mathias Dahl" writes: >> You don't have "up", "next", "previous", "top" keyboard keys, and the >> respective buttons scroll around with the rest of the page. >> ... > > Okay okay okay, I get your point. I won't argue with you on the > benefits on using Info vs HTML; as I said I use it myself when I > feel like using it. Some days though, I just like to browse around > some plain "dumb" HTML. And, I won't give in here, "forcing" new > users to use this (for some of them at least) "strange" Info > interface when we could also provide a link (it would not need to be > the default) to some HTML-version of the documentation, is a > pity. Just because we know Info is superior to HTML in many respect > does not mean that we should not provide an alternative. > > For example, we could add a new menu item, "Read the manual online" > (or maybe "Read the HTML manual online") under the sub menu Help -> > More manuals. I strongly object. From inside of Emacs, the info manual is the appropriate resource. Whether we keep a HTML version in our tree for the sake of offline reading (when Emacs is not available) is a different thing, and how we may point the user to its availability. But starting a HTML browser on it via an Emacs menu entry is utterly the wrong thing to do. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum