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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, "Kim F. Storm" <storm@cua.dk>
Subject: Re: Reordering etc/NEWS
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 00:32:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <85sla5k4py.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87sla5iqhs.fsf@red-bean.com> (Karl Fogel's message of "Wed\, 09 May 2007 15\:25\:35 -0700")

Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com> writes:

> David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Richard has just announced that he plans on releasing Emacs 22.1
>> from the EMACS_BASE_22 branch.  It is not clear to me what should
>> right now happen on the trunk, though: should the branch merges of
>> multitty and emacs-unicode-2 commence now, or later?
>
> I think merges of complex development branches can be handled
> incrementally by using bidirectional merging:
>
>    1) Repeatedly merge trunk into the branch, so the branch isn't
>       generally much out-of-date (w.r.t. recent trunk changes).
>
>    2) Get some developers to agree to run the branch for a while, to
>       test for obvious showstoppers.
>
>    3) One day, when the new work on the branch is done, merge it into
>       trunk.  It'll already contain everything trunk contains, so the
>       only new material will be the branch work, and that will be
>       well-tested.
>
> IOW, trunk always gets new changes, except when they might
> destabilize trunk to the point of unusability, in which case a
> branch is used temporarily to stabilize them -- after which they go
> to trunk.
>
> So regarding your original question: what state of testedness are
> the multitty and emacs-unicode-2 branches in, and how far out of
> date w.r.t. trunk are they?

They are basically synched to within a few weeks at most, and have
been used in production use partly for years and kept synched over all
that time.

That is the situation as I understand it.  The main concern is that we
have _two_ branches to merge, so there might be conflicts.  According
to the maintainers of the branches, those should be rather confined.
If one wanted to push one's luck, one could say that a first Emacs
23.1 prerelease should be possible a month after the serious work on
the branch merges commences.

Those branches have been slated for Emacs 23.1 _exactly_ because they
are in good state.  Other branches, like Emacs-bidi, don't appear
viable for a fast release.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-09 22:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 251+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-04 21:17 Reordering etc/NEWS Richard Stallman
2007-05-05 22:42 ` Glenn Morris
2007-05-05 22:49   ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-06 17:57   ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-06 18:18     ` Glenn Morris
2007-05-06 20:28     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-07 16:50       ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-07 17:07         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-08  6:27           ` Jan Djärv
2007-05-07 17:36         ` Glenn Morris
2007-05-07 18:05           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-07 17:53         ` spect. [Was: Reordering etc/NEWS] Alan Mackenzie
2007-05-07 18:16           ` Mathias Dahl
2007-05-07 21:51         ` Reordering etc/NEWS Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-07 22:04           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-08 18:09           ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-08 21:09             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-09  8:57             ` Kim F. Storm
2007-05-09  9:23               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-09 17:54               ` JD Smith
2007-05-09 19:42                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-09 19:59                   ` JD Smith
2007-05-09 20:29                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-09 20:54                   ` Nick Roberts
2007-05-10 13:05                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-09 21:56               ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-09 22:15                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-09 22:25                   ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-09 22:32                     ` David Kastrup [this message]
2007-05-09 22:59                       ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-10  7:24                       ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-10  7:49                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10  8:04                           ` joakim
2007-05-10  9:19                             ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-10  9:32                               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10  9:42                               ` joakim
2007-05-10  9:52                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10 10:10                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 23:27                                     ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-12  7:53                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 12:09                                         ` Multi-tty design (Re: Reordering etc/NEWS) Károly Lo"rentey
2007-05-12 13:34                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 17:21                                             ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-12 18:03                                               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 11:08                                                 ` Károly Lőrentey
2007-05-13 12:50                                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 16:41                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 17:04                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2007-05-13 17:18                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 18:11                                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2007-05-13 18:17                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 18:22                                                           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-13 20:13                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 20:41                                                               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 21:11                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-22  0:39                                                                   ` Giorgos Keramidas
2007-05-13 21:18                                                                 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14  6:33                                                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 21:05                                                               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 10:11                                                               ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-14 10:37                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 11:35                                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2007-05-14 12:24                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 12:45                                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2007-05-14 12:52                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 13:36                                                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2007-05-14 13:41                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 13:42                                                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2007-05-14 16:48                                                                               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 17:29                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 18:19                                                                                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 19:07                                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 20:04                                                                                       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 20:24                                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 21:02                                                                                           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 21:20                                                                                             ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-14 21:49                                                                                               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 22:00                                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-15 19:38                                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-14 21:27                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 22:13                                                                                               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 22:27                                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 22:38                                                                                                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-05-14 22:44                                                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 23:03                                                                                                       ` Multi-tty design Nick Roberts
2007-05-14 23:29                                                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-15  7:44                                                                                                       ` Multi-tty design (Re: Reordering etc/NEWS) Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-15  8:24                                                                                                         ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-16  1:51                                                                                                       ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-14 22:59                                                                                                     ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-14 23:22                                                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2007-05-14 22:42                                                                                                   ` joakim
2007-05-14 22:55                                                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 22:50                                                                                                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 23:05                                                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-05-15  7:41                                                                                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-05-15 16:48                                                                                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-05-14 22:35                                                                                                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-05-15 15:53                                                                                             ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-16  1:41                                                                                               ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-16 15:41                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-17 13:12                                                                                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-17 15:31                                                                                                     ` Károly Lo"rentey
2007-05-17 17:00                                                                                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-05-17 20:02                                                                                                         ` Ken Raeburn
2007-05-17 21:17                                                                                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18  3:36                                                                                                           ` Károly Lőrentey
2007-05-17 22:51                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-18  2:58                                                                                                         ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-18  7:19                                                                                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 11:04                                                                                                             ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-18 11:48                                                                                                               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 11:58                                                                                                                 ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-18  2:52                                                                                                       ` Miles Bader
2007-05-17 22:46                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-17 14:35                                                                                                   ` Károly Lo"rentey
2007-05-17  9:59                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-17 14:05                                                                                                   ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-17 16:46                                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-17 23:11                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-18  7:36                                                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 14:24                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-18 14:49                                                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 16:27                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-20  9:04                                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21 13:15                                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-21 13:35                                                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-22  1:54                                                                                                                   ` Miles Bader
2007-05-22  6:37                                                                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-22 15:49                                                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-22 21:26                                                                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-23 18:55                                                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-23 19:24                                                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-24 10:55                                                                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-24 11:04                                                                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 15:18                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-18  2:47                                                                                                   ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-18  8:14                                                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 11:55                                                                                                       ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-18 12:24                                                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 17:40                                                                                                           ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-18 18:18                                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 23:09                                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-20 18:13                                                                                                             ` Károly Lo"rentey
2007-05-14 21:05                                                                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 21:52                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-12 16:48                                       ` Reordering etc/NEWS Richard Stallman
2007-05-10 10:24                                   ` joakim
2007-05-10 10:24                                 ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-11 22:58                               ` Multi-tty branch status (Re: Reordering etc/NEWS) Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-12  4:20                                 ` Glenn Morris
2007-05-12  6:48                                   ` Kalle Olavi Niemitalo
2007-05-12  7:58                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 16:48                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-12 10:30                                   ` Károly Lo"rentey
2007-05-12 11:11                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 21:52                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-12 16:48                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-12 17:25                                   ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-10 10:28                         ` Reordering etc/NEWS YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2007-05-09 22:58                     ` Nick Roberts
2007-05-10  6:21                       ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10  1:23                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-10  1:43                       ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-11  7:42                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-11  8:03                     ` Kenichi Handa
2007-05-11  8:34                       ` Nick Roberts
2007-05-11  8:44                       ` Merging multitty (was: Reordering etc/NEWS) David Kastrup
2007-05-11  9:20                         ` Merging multitty Jason Rumney
2007-05-11 10:00                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 10:25                             ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-11 11:01                               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 21:05                               ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-12 16:48                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-12 17:58                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 10:52                                     ` Kenichi Handa
2007-05-12 19:32                                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-12 19:42                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 20:19                                       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-12 20:27                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 20:30                                     ` Samium Gromoff
2007-05-11 21:10                               ` Károly Lo"rentey
2007-05-11 12:00                             ` Kenichi Handa
2007-05-11 13:14                               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 13:33                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-11 13:51                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 13:57                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 14:09                                       ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-11 14:17                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-11 14:34                                     ` Miles Bader
2007-05-11 21:34                                   ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-12  7:43                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-11 13:34                               ` merging Unicode branch and availability of Windows binaries Drew Adams
2007-05-14 14:16                                 ` Drew Adams
2007-05-14 14:30                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 15:05                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-05-14 17:32                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 21:56                           ` Merging multitty Richard Stallman
2007-05-11  9:45                         ` Miles Bader
2007-05-11 10:02                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 21:56                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-13  1:33                             ` Miles Bader
2007-05-13  3:11                               ` Nick Roberts
2007-05-13  3:27                                 ` Miles Bader
2007-05-13  4:00                                   ` Nick Roberts
2007-05-13  4:21                                     ` Miles Bader
2007-05-13 12:43                                       ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-14  8:08                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-14 10:19                                     ` Miles Bader
2007-05-14 11:02                                     ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-14 14:46                                       ` Kim F. Storm
2007-05-15  9:46                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-15 20:49                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                         ` <4649F799.3050108@lorentey.hu>
2007-05-16  1:39                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-10 13:06               ` Reordering etc/NEWS Richard Stallman
2007-05-10 14:14                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-10 14:25                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10 14:49                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-10 17:15                       ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10 17:21                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-10 15:53                 ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-10 17:39                   ` Ken Manheimer
2007-05-10 17:44                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-11  8:50                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-11 11:23                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-11 15:46                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-11 16:09                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-11 17:43                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-11 17:49                     ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-11 18:26                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-11 18:37                         ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-12  7:22                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-12  7:59                             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 13:24                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-12 16:47                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-11 18:48                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-11 21:46                     ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-10 17:13                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 18:48                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-07 16:50       ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-07 21:37         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-07 21:56           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-07 10:05     ` Alan Mackenzie
2007-05-07 10:12       ` David Kastrup
2007-05-07 13:39         ` Jay Belanger
2007-05-07 13:45           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-07 13:54             ` Thomas Hühn
2007-05-07 14:03               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-07 14:57       ` Chong Yidong
2007-05-07 23:28         ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-07 23:28       ` Richard Stallman

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