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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: Oliver Scholz <alkibiades@gmx.de>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Saving markup formats
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:37:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <85sl8ngp94.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f59r68$jt1$1@sea.gmane.org> (Oliver Scholz's message of "Wed\, 20 Jun 2007 02\:08\:38 +0200")

Oliver Scholz <alkibiades@gmx.de> writes:

> Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
>
>>     This is a very bad thing; a _reliable_ word
>>     processor---as opposed to an unreliable hack---shouldn't make any
>>     changes to the logical structure of a document unless explicitly
>>     ordered to do it.
>>
>> I reject that position (as well as the gratuitous insult tacked onto
>> it)
>
> It was not meant as an insult; by "unreliable hack" I was refering to
> my own first implementation. Of course, I was also referring to a
> general implementation strategy, still "insult" seems a bit strong.
>
> I'll try to refrain from further discussing this issue. I have to
> admit that from memory I can't think of any case where the approach
> you describe would fail with RTF---at least with the help of markup
> text in a buffer. My personal opinions are of no concern here.

I find myself agreeing with you here: documents should preserve
structure.  Word has so-called "style sheets" as a structuring method,
and it means that you can change the layout of a document consistently
by changing the style sheet.  Ignoring the structure of the RTF and
saving something visually equivalent is breaking the document.  While
it does not much harm to the documents of _naive_ Word users, it would
be horrible to load a complex file, change a few words, and have it
saved basically as a seemingly same-looking but unmaintainable mess.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-20  5:37 UTC|newest]

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2007-06-16 19:56                 ` Saving markup formats Reiner Steib
2007-06-17 18:54                   ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-17 21:08                     ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-17 21:18                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-17 21:57                         ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-17 22:13                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-17 22:27                           ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-17 22:37                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-17 22:47                               ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-17 23:02                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-17 23:13                                   ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-17 23:46                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-18  8:03                                       ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-18  8:26                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-18  8:44                                           ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-18  9:25                                         ` Dave Pawson
2007-06-18 21:25                                         ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-18 22:13                                           ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-19  7:18                                             ` Dave Pawson
2007-06-19  7:41                                               ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-17 23:08                                 ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-18  0:30                             ` XML editing wishlist (was: Saving markup formats) Drew Adams
2007-06-18  8:10                               ` XML editing wishlist Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-18 13:51                                 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-18 14:39                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-19 23:57                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-20 20:49                                 ` Vagn Johansen
2007-06-17 21:55                       ` Saving markup formats Juri Linkov
2007-06-18 21:31                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-18  0:05                   ` Oliver Scholz
2007-06-18 21:19                     ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-19  7:43                       ` Oliver Scholz
2007-06-19 13:38                         ` Drew Adams
2007-06-19 13:59                         ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-19 22:25                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-19 23:40                           ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-20  0:10                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-20  0:22                               ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-20  0:38                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-20  1:02                                   ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-20  2:19                                     ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-06-20  8:51                                     ` David House
2007-06-20 10:16                                       ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-20 10:46                                         ` David House
2007-06-20 10:56                                           ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-20  9:45                                     ` Mathias Dahl
2007-06-20 10:19                                       ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-20 11:20                                         ` Mathias Dahl
2007-06-20 11:49                                           ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-20  0:08                           ` Oliver Scholz
2007-06-20  5:37                             ` David Kastrup [this message]
2007-06-20 10:05                               ` Oliver Scholz
2007-06-20 10:23                                 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-20 11:12                                   ` Oliver Scholz
2007-06-20 11:20                                     ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-20 12:36                                       ` Oliver Scholz
2007-06-20 17:36                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-20 20:10                                       ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-21  0:05                                         ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-21  3:59                                           ` Davis Herring
2007-06-21  7:56                                             ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-21 10:07                                               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-06-21 10:31                                                 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-21 10:52                                                   ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-21 12:50                                                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-06-21 13:05                                               ` Davis Herring
2007-06-21 13:23                                                 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22  1:51                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-21 17:32                                         ` Richard Stallman

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