From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: define-derived-mode Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 12:13:30 +0200 Message-ID: <85r7ggzoz9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <200505080101.j48117N24298@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200505080315.j483F2l24405@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200505081748.j48HmHm26026@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1115634665 5250 80.91.229.2 (9 May 2005 10:31:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 10:31:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Luc Teirlinck , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 09 12:31:01 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV5Vo-0000ZZ-Kq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 12:29:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV5e7-00044P-SY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:37:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV5dj-00043e-VF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:37:32 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV5dj-00043S-CS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:37:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV5ai-0003Dy-BT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:34:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DV5N7-00060A-HV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:20:21 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DV5Ft-0007po-48; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:12:57 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 08F141C46518; Mon, 9 May 2005 12:13:30 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 09 May 2005 04:57:44 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:36903 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:36903 Richard Stallman writes: > If I understood correctly, define-generic-mode only started > constructing automatic defcustoms recently, which was an > incompatible change. In that case, it could easily be reversed, > which would make the two major mode defining functions > consistent in this respect. > > For define-minor-mode, the situation is more complex. It > already defined defcustoms in 21.3. So here, removing them > would be an incompatible change. It is possible that some users > already customized these hooks through Custom. > > Such a change is no big deal. Let's turn off generation of these > defcustoms. It must be noted that variables that are already customized with the customize interface will retain their customized values. You just can't recustomize them. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum