From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server - getting paper size Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:03:37 +0200 Message-ID: <85r7dznmvq.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <42D75F2C.3040303@student.lu.se> <85zmso79mt.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <42D7AA3E.7040508@student.lu.se> <85ll48tfct.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <42D7B125.6030102@student.lu.se> <854qawt85l.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <42D7EB78.9050901@student.lu.se> <85ll48rnzt.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <42D7F881.2080302@student.lu.se> <42D82D20.2030505@student.lu.se> <857jfrrap4.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <42D83525.9090608@student.lu.se> <42D8451E.5080204@student.lu.se> <85u0ivp9uf.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <42D8C5C9.9010003@student.lu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1121504794 26653 80.91.229.2 (16 Jul 2005 09:06:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:06:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Devel , Jason Rumney Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 16 11:06:34 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dticn-0005UK-KL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:06:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dtiec-00008Z-Cw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 05:08:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dtidx-00005F-Qi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 05:07:34 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dtic2-00080R-KX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 05:05:37 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dtic2-0007pA-2E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 05:05:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dtiid-0000Ax-57 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 05:12:23 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DtiWp-00076s-UE; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 05:00:12 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id A28E61C40B64; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:03:37 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: Lennart Borgman In-Reply-To: <42D8C5C9.9010003@student.lu.se> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:31:05 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:40982 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:40982 Lennart Borgman writes: > David Kastrup wrote: > >>>There are several reasons I think. One reason is that installing new >>>programs should not change system overall behaviour. >>> >>> >> >>Then why install them in the first place? >> >> > I am sorry but this does not make sense. Why bother to install software if it is not intended to make any difference? >>>Whatever we think of that this is the w32 way and to integrate in >>>the w32 environment as first class citizens this must be accepted. >> >>It is not a goal for Emacs to be a first class w32 citizen. The >>goal for Emacs on Windows is to be as good an Emacs as elsewhere. > > I found this comment worth noting. The meaning of what you are > writing here is not self evident. It must be further developed to be > useful. > > One thing to think about is for example "what do users on different > system require of the programs they are using?". Even if users are > not explicitly mentioned in your statement they are of course > implicitly. We are not bothered about Windows users. We are bothered about Emacs users. Making Emacs a first class w32 application is not a project goal. Making w32 a first class Emacs platform might be one. It may not have the same priority as other operating systems, but as long as somebody is willing to do the work, there is no principal problem as far as I can see. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum