From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Hebrew xlation of Emacs tutorial Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 20:12:42 +0100 Message-ID: <85r6t7f42d.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <20070202014816.c691bb82.yotam.medini@gmail.com> <20070202172551.3a25b37f.yotam.medini@gmail.com> <858xffgqkb.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1170529993 11758 80.91.229.12 (3 Feb 2007 19:13:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 19:13:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cloos@jhcloos.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 03 20:13:04 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HDQJr-0006ZI-C9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2007 20:13:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HDQJr-0003wa-Qr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:13:03 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HDQJg-0003wV-Bk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:12:52 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HDQJd-0003wJ-Oz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:12:51 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HDQJd-0003wG-MN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:12:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-07.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.47]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1HDQJb-0001RV-LW; Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:12:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-04-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-04-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.16]) by mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073BF24B950; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 20:12:46 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (mail-in-02.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.42]) by mail-in-04-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E625EABF6A; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 20:12:45 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-033-198.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.33.198]) by mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8BD52D80EF; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 20:12:45 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 374441C4CE1C; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 20:12:42 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat\, 03 Feb 2007 20\:42\:27 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.93 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:65833 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: David Kastrup > >> We certainly don't want it to be "merged into the emacs-unicode-2 >> branch" before Emacs 23 is released: emacs-unicode-2 is a major >> step forward and apparently close to release quality. > > I rather hope that Emacs 23 will come out with bidi support (since > Unicode requires that), but that hope has no basis whatsoever. Uh, I hope that Emacs 23 will come out in this decade still... >> There are also other issues which should probably be addressed when >> reworking the display engine for bidi, like composite character >> support and antialiasing > > I'm not aware of any such issues, but then the implications of bidi > redisplay were never discussed in detail. Oh, that is not as much an implication of bidi redisplay but rather of missing display features of Emacs in general. "composite character" may be the wrong word, it is "compositing"? Things like accents that are supposed to overprint the following character. Emacs does not cater for them yet, neither does it for antialiased font display (unless we are talking isolated branches or ports). I thought that it would be probably imprudent to address those missing features in isolation from bidi support, since the solutions likely have some overlap. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum