From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:23:04 +0100 Message-ID: <85r6f7fvh3.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <87myq4saw1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <200802151711.m1FHB3Y3008798@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200802171658.m1HGwQ4h011067@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219085231.GA1032@muc.de> <200802190938.m1J9ccVg016565@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219190127.GA1106@muc.de> <877ih0o9dx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203524611 20342 80.91.229.12 (20 Feb 2008 16:23:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:23:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Devel To: David Reitter Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 20 17:23:55 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JRrjf-000224-0R for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:23:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JRrj9-0006p2-W6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:23:24 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JRriv-0006iX-6Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:23:09 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JRrit-0006i2-Rj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:23:08 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JRrit-0006hz-Op for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:23:07 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-17.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.57]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JRrit-0005Au-ED for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:23:07 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-14-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-14-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.31]) by mail-in-17.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C2830E7B5; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:23:05 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (mail-in-05.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.45]) by mail-in-14-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62AF1100BE; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:23:05 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-026-202.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.26.202]) by mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EDE3BEB0; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:23:05 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 966E31CDB1E6; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:23:04 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (David Reitter's message of "Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:55:59 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92.1/5893/Wed Feb 20 09:07:36 2008 on mail-in-05.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89696 Archived-At: David Reitter writes: > On 20 Feb 2008, at 12:52, Juanma Barranquero wrote: > >> IMO, defaults should be choosen, if possible, so the behavior is what >> most new users would expect. An experienced user will research how to >> deactivate something that he doesn't like. A newbie will perhaps just >> give up. > > > I would replace "newbie" with anyone who uses Emacs alongside a number > of other applications which provide their own editing facilities (even > if just to fill a form field). That was my situation, and while I'd > happily adapt one way or the other (w.r.t transient-mark-mode and key > bindings, etc.) in general, I wouldn't want to switch back and forth > within seconds. Emacs users say the same about switching between > machines and having their own .emacs sync'ed between them. > > Is it possible to satisfy both types of users? > Can't there be two variants of Emacs? That's pointless because then the experienced users will cease to be able help newcomers. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum