From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Next release Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 10:15:01 +0200 Message-ID: <85r6cicwoq.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <18457.37369.262079.668907@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <5jr6clncn8.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87od7p22dw.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200805021331.m42DVYVw016584@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200805021610.m42GAhkE001271@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200805040056.m440u3eS022727@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200805040206.m4426oct013714@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200805040658.m446wvLH012958@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1209890578 22313 80.91.229.12 (4 May 2008 08:42:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 08:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dan Nicolaescu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 04 10:43:33 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JsZoh-0000py-LU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 May 2008 10:43:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39584 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JsZo0-00052W-7O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 May 2008 04:42:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JsZn0-0004cE-EN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 May 2008 04:41:46 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JsZmy-0004b8-2e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 May 2008 04:41:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39722 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JsZmx-0004ay-LO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 May 2008 04:41:43 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JsZmx-0002Qr-9B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 May 2008 04:41:43 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44588 helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JsZmR-0001f0-He; Sun, 04 May 2008 04:41:11 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 82C6B1C46105; Sun, 4 May 2008 10:15:01 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <200805040658.m446wvLH012958@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> (Dan Nicolaescu's message of "Sat, 03 May 2008 23:58:57 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:96427 Archived-At: Dan Nicolaescu writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Dan, please stop this. > > Can you please first get all the background before intervening? [...] > Now, I really don't like doing this, but I feel that I really need to > get my name cleared here, so let's go back to what has actually > happened. There is no need to get your "name cleared" since we already participated the original discussion. Doing another summary from your point of view does not change that. There was nothing gained for you picking up the ball unnecessarily thrown at you in this context. I am not saying that your reaction was uncalled for or understandable. It is just that it did not help. Neither did the original bickering, but it wasted a lot less energy of the attacker than the reply did of you. Not hitting back when nothing can be gained by it is something hard to learn for people with a strong sense of justice (and many programmers are so, and possibly enthusiastic free software programmers more so). But it saves a lot of headaches and, believe me, in the end even makes you look better. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum