From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release timelines and Unicode2 branch Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 07:23:54 +0200 Message-ID: <85psr4tiqd.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <62DD76A1-D1A5-4B7B-A9C0-6E95A3D09F52@cogsci.ucsd.edu> <45556C54-CEBD-49C2-B0FF-A5BFB85D97E3@cogsci.ucsd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1127194373 28637 80.91.229.2 (20 Sep 2005 05:32:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 05:32:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 20 07:32:49 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EHajK-0004FR-Fs for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 07:31:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EHajJ-0006bb-VI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:31:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EHah2-0004kR-5n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:29:24 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EHagy-0004hg-FZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:29:21 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EHagu-0004fi-Px for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:29:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EHabq-0006Ol-0N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:24:02 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EHabi-0000cL-RG; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:23:55 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 3710A1C4CD7D; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 07:23:54 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: Adrian Robert In-Reply-To: (Adrian Robert's message of "Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:14:14 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:43093 Archived-At: Adrian Robert writes: > On Sep 15, 2005, at 9:00 AM, Richard M. Stallman wrote: > >> That's correct -- or actually the GNUstep "version" and the OS X >> one >> are the same code, with a few ifdefs here and there. The APIs >> provided by GNUstep and Cocoa are almost identical (or at least >> largely overlapping; please see http://gnustep.org for more >> explanation) The new port (emacs-app.sf.net) should always run, >> like >> Emacs-on-Aqua, on GNUstep _and_ OS X. (The "-on-Aqua" name is a >> historical artifact that does not reflect the port's actual >> character.) >> >> Could we please rename it, then? Let's call it Emacs for GNUstep. >> It is counterproductive to publicize Apple gratuitously. > > The new name was going to be simply "Emacs.app", which is OS neutral > (but OpenStep specific). I prefer a neutral name to avoid throwing > off potential Apple users, because I'll need the interest and help of > the Cocoa / Apple community to make this port work. > > The GNUstep community is very small (albeit undeservedly so), but a > quality Emacs port that makes people want to run GNUstep so they can > use it could help it grow. If Apple users testing and helping with > development can make this happen, I think it would be worth the > ancillary costs of publicity for and enhancement of the non-free OS X > platform. > > What about a compromise, like "Emacs.app for GNUstep and OS X" (on > every web page and release announcement), with short name simply > "Emacs.app"? I think "Emacs.app" is fine. Web page and announcement will carry the information for which operating systems Emacs.app is known to work in their main text. There are also things like View.app and similar, and people tend to know what this implies, more or less. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum