From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Leake Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: More metaproblem Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 03:58:34 -0600 Message-ID: <85ppbymn91.fsf@stephe-leake.org> References: <20141203142859.24393.98673@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <20141203192721.GE12748@thyrsus.com> <547F6774.50700@cs.ucla.edu> <838uio5vjw.fsf@gnu.org> <20141203211447.GB15111@thyrsus.com> <871toge5zw.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> <83388v6hsq.fsf@gnu.org> <87egsftgd5.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417773548 22578 80.91.229.3 (5 Dec 2014 09:59:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 09:59:08 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 05 10:59:02 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XwpfB-00004w-Ut for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:59:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49467 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwpfB-0006Vh-By for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 04:59:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36846) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwpet-0006VE-2G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 04:58:48 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwpen-00066H-He for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 04:58:43 -0500 Original-Received: from dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com ([107.14.73.227]:55869 helo=dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwpen-00065w-C8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 04:58:37 -0500 Original-Received: from [70.94.38.149] ([70.94.38.149:50312] helo=TAKVER) by dnvrco-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id EF/D4-16169-CC181845; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 09:58:36 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87egsftgd5.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> (Karl Fogel's message of "Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:33:10 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.94 (windows-nt) X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.64.142:25 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=W762VHmk c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=AppmJ/7ZOOFWL/q6u6u93g==:117 a=AppmJ/7ZOOFWL/q6u6u93g==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=fNEgcOh0sVsA:10 a=9i_RQKNPAAAA:8 a=o2eD-HNaAAAA:8 a=mDV3o1hIAAAA:8 a=mFfYPoXX5BBZuAA6l4UA:9 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 107.14.73.227 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:178897 Archived-At: Karl Fogel writes: > What most projects do is have a development web page. linked to from > their main user-facing web page. Emacs was around long before "web pages". It has been slow to embrace web pages, because it already has a culture that works well without them. Perhaps that needs to change to attract new blood, but I'm not sure. Emacs has a _very_ different feel than "typical" development environments; using a unique development environment for creating Emacs can ensure that is maintained. > The development page organizes all this stuff and provides links to > source code repository, dev guidelines & documentation, etc. > > For Emacs, the main web page is http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/. > > It links to two possible candidates for the "developer page": > > https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/emacs > https://savannah.gnu.org/bzr/?group=emacs > > But neither of those automatically-generated pages provides what a real > development web page provides. Instead they just tell you how to get > the development sources and where the mailing lists are. They don't > tell you to look in admin/notes/ (for example). I agree this could be improved; it should have a "Contributing" section, which should point to the current documentation. What is the mechanism for editing that web page? >> Feel free to contribute the missing documentation, and thanks in >> advance. > > It's not just a matter of contributing documentation. We don't even > *have a place to put such documentation* right now. As others have pointed out, we do have such a place, but most people are not aware of it. That needs to change, and I'm working on implementing the changes suggested so far. -- -- Stephe