From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Meanness Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:30:10 +0200 Message-ID: <85od4k1uct.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <20080726081019.GB1419@muc.de> <853alw3aq8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217089832 2350 80.91.229.12 (26 Jul 2008 16:30:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Juanma Barranquero" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 26 18:31:21 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KMmfx-0003yK-BC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:31:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49222 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMmf3-0001Un-8u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:30:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMmey-0001UU-Ke for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:30:20 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMmew-0001UF-VS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:30:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43495 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMmew-0001UB-Q6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:30:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-13.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.53]:59259) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KMmer-0000h4-4O; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:30:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-18-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-18-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.35]) by mail-in-13.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421751E4F44; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:30:11 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (mail-in-01.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.41]) by mail-in-18-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF5D5102D2; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:30:11 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-019-167.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.19.167]) by mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C1C1051BB; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:30:10 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 24AE81C4CCF2; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:30:10 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:11:32 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/7832/Sat Jul 26 15:22:27 2008 on mail-in-01.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101537 Archived-At: "Juanma Barranquero" writes: > On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 17:51, David Kastrup wrote: > >> I am tired of having all sorts of silly insinuations ascribed to me in >> order to have people "win" their arguments. >> >> We are in disagreement over the relative merit of having Emacs run on >> Windows. I don't see why this can only be considered tolerable when one >> can prove me to be a blabbering idiot. >> >> So feel free to disagree with me if you are so inclined, but please >> refrain from putting nonsense in my mouth. If you can't justify your >> views before yourself and others without resorting to such measures, >> this should make you think. > > Color me puzzled. I agree with what Eli said in response to Alfred M. > Szmidt. I am one of those "others who expressed similarly extremist views in this dispute". > I particularly agree with this bit I quoted: > >> We have a common goal here: improving Emacs. Let's not put that goal >> in jeopardy by emphasizing minor (yes, minor!) differences between us >> on how soon and how completely should each private citizen switch to >> using Free Software and Free Software alone. > > I fail to see how that means that I try to "prove [you] a blabbering > idiot", So why are you agreeing that my extremist views in this dispute try to control "how soon and how completely should each private citizen switch ti using Free Software and Free Software alone"? > that I "[put] nonsense in [your] mouth" or that I adscribe to you > "silly insinuations". > > Honestly, we've had differences before, but this time I don't know > what you're talking about. Then please identify the extremists that you think Eli is talking about, and explain in which postings they try to mandate taking control over private citizens' software use. And I am not talking about buzzphrases from the peanut gallery (you can get those a dime a dozen for every point of view). -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum