From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Leake Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: More metaproblem Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 03:41:38 -0600 Message-ID: <85oarhjest.fsf@stephe-leake.org> References: <20141203192721.GE12748@thyrsus.com> <547F6774.50700@cs.ucla.edu> <838uio5vjw.fsf@gnu.org> <20141203211447.GB15111@thyrsus.com> <871toge5zw.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> <83388v6hsq.fsf@gnu.org> <87egsftgd5.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <83egsf3yci.fsf@gnu.org> <87iohq6nvn.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <20141205185636.GH3120@thyrsus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417858921 12552 80.91.229.3 (6 Dec 2014 09:42:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 09:42:01 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 06 10:41:56 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XxBsB-0005qM-RP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 10:41:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53881 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxBsB-0005Wc-GH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 04:41:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60053) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxBs2-0005WT-OZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 04:41:52 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxBrx-0001LB-9p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 04:41:46 -0500 Original-Received: from dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com ([107.14.73.229]:47435 helo=dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxBrx-0001L5-4G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 04:41:41 -0500 Original-Received: from [70.94.38.149] ([70.94.38.149:52483] helo=TAKVER) by dnvrco-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 16/40-16151-45FC2845; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 09:41:40 +0000 In-Reply-To: <20141205185636.GH3120@thyrsus.com> (Eric S. Raymond's message of "Fri, 5 Dec 2014 13:56:36 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.94 (windows-nt) X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.64.130:25 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=bePlUY/B c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=AppmJ/7ZOOFWL/q6u6u93g==:117 a=AppmJ/7ZOOFWL/q6u6u93g==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=fNEgcOh0sVsA:10 a=9i_RQKNPAAAA:8 a=Nby5tkL7AAAA:8 a=mDV3o1hIAAAA:8 a=yC6Pso4pWGaphH6W5dAA:9 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 107.14.73.229 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179125 Archived-At: "Eric S. Raymond" writes: > Glenn Morris : >> Karl Fogs wrote: >> >> > That site & page are maintained by the FSF -- they're not in the Emacs >> > tree anywhere. In other words, whatever the procedures are for >> > improving the Emacs home page (and creating a developer welcome page), >> > they are completely different from the procedures for improving the >> > Emacs code. So, yay, now I have to learn *two* contribution paths. >> >> The http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ Emacs web pages are maintained in >> CVS. > > Oh, holy jumping *fuck*. -10 Please be more polite. I'm happy to use CVS as a web publishing platform. As the text you did not quote said, it is _not_ being used as a CM system. > And you still wonder why you can't get more help maintaining them? I have not seen anyone refuse to help maintain them, for any reason. > CVS, like > Texinfo and far too many of this project's inheritances from ancient > times, is a gigantic neon sign that says to new developers WE *LIVE* > TO INFLICT PROCESS PAIN ON YOU. No, just that we have limited resources, and there's no reason to change what ain't broke. Learning how to publish via CVS is no harder than learning how to publish by any other means. > Well, at least I can partly fix this. I'll get with Bob Proulx about > converting the repo. Thanks for volunteering. > Eventually it should almost certainly move into the source tree, but > that's pending the big redesign of our documentation structure. There are legitimate reasons to have separate FSF and Emacs web pages, so I'm not sure which ones you are talking about here. -- -- Stephe