From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:46:45 +0200 Message-ID: <85mykmktfe.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <36366a980807091202rd3b6521jc9fa45d321bc9d37@mail.gmail.com> <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807111205k4a13f462jc21881c8558c517b@mail.gmail.com> <85vdzbr0uz.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85r69znhlz.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1215942432 10454 80.91.229.12 (13 Jul 2008 09:47:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, drobinow@gmail.com To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 13 11:47:59 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KHyBT-00042k-8H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:47:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45852 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KHyAb-00078Q-6L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:47:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KHyAT-000774-BE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:46:57 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KHyAQ-00074X-Rl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:46:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42813 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KHyAQ-00074J-I7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:46:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-08.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.48]:32993) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KHyAL-0000Jk-MR; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:46:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-03-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-03-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.15]) by mail-in-08.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54D527B081; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:46:47 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-16.arcor-online.net (mail-in-16.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.56]) by mail-in-03-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A521E2D4033; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:46:47 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-034-089.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.34.89]) by mail-in-16.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F0E236E4D; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:46:47 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 89C741CFAEF1; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:46:46 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Richard M. Stallman's message of "Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:35:06 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/7697/Sun Jul 13 07:26:36 2008 on mail-in-16.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100637 Archived-At: Richard M Stallman writes: > I should think the kind of people desirous of being steered rarely ends > up at our doorstep. > > I doubt there is anyone so firm of will and so sure of his views > that he is never influenced by the views he hears presented by others. > Our words always tend to influence people, by what they > take for granted as well as what they say. That is why we > should not take for granted that people use non-free software, > or that they should. I think you are missing my point. Those people likely to be on our side are probably not best recruited by pontification and patronization. They can have that where they are coming from. We have something to offer them, not something to take from them. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum