From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs in CVS as today does not build - emacs depends on *.elc, which cannot be built without emacs Date: 21 Nov 2002 11:05:38 -0600 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <85lm3mg8f1.fsf@newton.ch.collab.net> References: <3DC140C2.6000306@biobase.dk> <3DC15922.9050108@biobase.dk> <87wunw4ryu.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> <87heed81an.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> <5xk7j8zdh7.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <878yzo894g.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> Reply-To: kfogel@collab.net, kfogel@red-bean.com NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1037900563 9982 80.91.224.249 (21 Nov 2002 17:42:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: storm@cua.dk, schwab@suse.de, tra@biobase.dk, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18EvLW-0002aN-00 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:42:34 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18EvPI-00043h-00 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:46:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18EvKL-0005Xh-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:41:21 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18EvJm-0004Yx-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:40:46 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18EvJZ-0004Qb-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:40:38 -0500 Original-Received: from newton.ch.collab.net ([216.127.237.130]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18EvJY-0004ID-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:40:33 -0500 Original-Received: (from kfogel@localhost) by newton.ch.collab.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gALH5dd48991; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:05:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kfogel@newton.ch.collab.net) Original-To: rms@gnu.org X-Windows: some voids are better left unfilled. In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1.50 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:9609 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:9609 Richard Stallman writes: > Please don't do that. My first message describes > a much better method. Whups, already committed now, but even as it is it's an improvement over the previous situation (an autogen.sh that tells the user to read INSTALL-CVS is better than no autogen.sh at all). The method you described wasn't completely fleshed out, and left a few practical issues unaddressed. Nevertheless, my original patch implemented it, or something very close to it, and Kim objected, for reasons that make a lot of sense to me. Emacs' bootstrapping is both different from, and more complex than, most other projects. If we try to build too much intelligence into autogen.sh, I think we'll just end up hampering developers. IMHO it's better for them to just read & understand INSTALL-CVS. However, if we can come up with some precise description of how autogen.sh should behave, I'd be happy to implement it. Can you describe exactly what you had in mind? -Karl