From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: TUTORIAL and scroll bar Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 08:55:50 +0200 Message-ID: <85lkpy75zd.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1155106593 6237 80.91.229.2 (9 Aug 2006 06:56:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 06:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 09 08:56:31 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAhzS-0006MA-9a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 08:56:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAhzR-0007Ub-4x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 02:56:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GAhzF-0007SL-Dy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 02:56:17 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GAhzE-0007Rm-Vh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 02:56:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAhzE-0007Rf-Sn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 02:56:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GAi3r-00052A-Ve for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 03:01:04 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GAhyx-0007di-LX; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 02:55:59 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 64FF41C4D3AD; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:55:50 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 09 Aug 2006 06:29:59 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:58209 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Richard Stallman >> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 19:39:44 -0400 >> >> The tutorial says the scroll bar is on the left. >> Is that true (by default) on all systems? > > No. frame.c initializes the default scroll bar position as follows: > > DEFVAR_LISP ("default-frame-scroll-bars", &Vdefault_frame_scroll_bars, > doc: /* Default position of scroll bars on this window-system. */); > #ifdef HAVE_WINDOW_SYSTEM > #if defined(HAVE_NTGUI) || defined(MAC_OS) > /* MS-Windows has scroll bars on the right by default. */ > Vdefault_frame_scroll_bars = Qright; > #else > Vdefault_frame_scroll_bars = Qleft; > #endif > #else > Vdefault_frame_scroll_bars = Qnil; > #endif > > I guess this is done to be consistent with the defaults of the > respective window-system. I find this strange: after all, the usual setting for almost all applications (including those on X) is on the right, so the case for Windows does not seem to be different here. One exception seems to be xdvi, but that seems to be the only one. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum