From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org, user42@zip.com.au, rms@gnu.org,
"Kim F. Storm" <storm@cua.dk>
Subject: Re: html-mode demanding <html> a bit too tight
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:22:01 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <85lkgef1na.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4631E68A.3000801@gmail.com> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Fri\, 27 Apr 2007 14\:03\:22 +0200")
"Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes:
> David Kastrup wrote:
>
>>>>>>> This problem really bothers people, so we should not leave it unfixed.
>>>>>> Richard, sorry for shouting, but how else can I make you listen:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WHAT _REALLY_ BOTHERS PEOPLE IS THAT EMACS 22.1 IS NOT RELEASED YET.
>>>>> I beg to differ. The current situation is very inconvenient and
>>>>> confusing sometimes when you open for example php files.
>>>> There have been five years to go about fixing this. NOW IS NOT THE
>>>> TIME!!!
>>> If I do not misremember I have mentioned this problem before.
>>
>> So much the worse. Well, you did not manage to get it fixed for the
>> release.
>
> In a way much worse, yes. And should it not be "we did not
> manage". It is a big collaborative effort (and I like that).
I wrote "get it fixed", not "fix it". If you are bothered by a
problem, it is your problem to get it fixed, by whoever.
Tough, but hardly world-shattering.
Of course it is not your fault that Richard has no concept of
"release-critical" and so everybody else is pussyfooting around him as
the last resort for _ever_ getting out a release.
In a sane development and release environment, bringing up a bug or
problem should be allowed at anytime. Unfortunately, we don't have a
sane development environment. The silliest things will cause Richard
to extend the pretest cycle with invasive changes.
So it becomes the responsibility of bug reporters to shut their trap
until Richard is fooled into believing that Emacs 22.1 will be perfect
for everybody, and feels fine releasing it.
So get in line with the rest. Everybody has his pet peeves. We can't
afford to let Richard hear about any of them (lest they be
release-critical or already completely vetoed) until after the
release.
Sorry for sounding off so cynical. If somebody else can offer a
better view on events, go for it. I'd be glad to be shown wrong,
_really_ glad.
--
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
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2007-04-25 14:51 ` html-mode demanding <html> a bit too tight Richard Stallman
2007-04-25 17:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-04-25 18:18 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-04-27 5:59 ` Richard Stallman
2007-04-26 4:11 ` Glenn Morris
2007-04-27 5:59 ` Richard Stallman
2007-04-27 6:22 ` David Kastrup
2007-04-27 13:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-27 10:27 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-04-27 11:14 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-04-27 11:41 ` David Kastrup
2007-04-27 11:49 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-04-27 11:56 ` David Kastrup
2007-04-27 12:03 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-04-27 12:22 ` David Kastrup [this message]
2007-04-27 21:41 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-04-27 12:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-27 14:11 ` David Reitter
2007-04-27 20:17 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-04-27 20:53 ` Chong Yidong
2007-04-27 21:02 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-04-27 18:58 ` Edward O'Connor
2007-04-27 12:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-27 20:53 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-04-28 4:06 ` Richard Stallman
2007-04-28 13:59 ` David Kastrup
2007-04-28 14:20 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-04-29 21:17 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-04-30 22:09 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-04 9:13 ` unicode-2 and multitty (was: html-mode demanding <html> a bit too tight) David Kastrup
2007-05-04 9:41 ` unicode-2 and multitty Jason Rumney
2007-05-04 10:14 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-04 20:46 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-05-05 0:26 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-05 21:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-07 9:55 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-05-07 10:09 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-04 9:42 ` Ulrich Mueller
2007-05-04 10:39 ` unicode-2 and multitty (was: html-mode demanding <html> a bit too tight) Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-04 11:12 ` unicode-2 and multitty David Kastrup
2007-05-04 21:18 ` unicode-2 and multitty (was: html-mode demanding <html> a bit too tight) Richard Stallman
2007-05-05 0:17 ` unicode-2 and multitty David Kastrup
2007-04-27 11:17 ` html-mode demanding <html> a bit too tight Leo
2007-04-27 19:51 ` Glenn Morris
2007-04-28 4:07 ` Richard Stallman
2007-04-28 8:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
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