From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: Jason Earl <jearl@xmission.com>
Cc: Evans Winner <thorne@timbral.net>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:24:53 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <85lk5fcod6.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ejb7babz.fsf@xmission.com> (Jason Earl's message of "Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:13:20 -0700")
Jason Earl <jearl@xmission.com> writes:
> The alternative, as the manual points out, is to enable
> transient-mark-mode and have Emacs work like most newbies
> would expect a text editor to work.
You are presuming that enabling transient-mark-mode makes Emacs work
like most newbies (or people) would expect a text editor to work.
I disagree strongly with that presumption. Other editors have marked
regions that are _independent_ of point. Emacs doesn't.
Transient-mark-mode merely introduces some artifacts of typical text
editor regions, but because point is by necessity one region end, the
side effects are quite obnoxious and the result in no way leads to a
behavior typical for the work flow of other editors.
--
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
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Thread overview: 274+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-08-28 7:48 change cursor type when idle Drew Adams
2006-08-28 9:54 ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-28 15:00 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-28 15:30 ` Lennart Borgman
2006-08-28 16:08 ` David Hansen
2006-08-28 16:09 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-28 16:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2006-08-28 16:58 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-28 21:27 ` Juri Linkov
2006-08-28 23:13 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-29 20:27 ` Juri Linkov
2006-08-29 20:51 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-29 13:51 ` Mathias Dahl
2006-08-29 13:59 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-29 20:17 ` Kevin Rodgers
2006-08-28 21:06 ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-28 21:44 ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-29 1:18 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-08-29 7:44 ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-29 13:38 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-28 22:10 ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-01 20:24 ` Drew Adams
2007-07-02 19:47 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-11 7:48 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-11 10:11 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-02-13 0:25 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-11 21:10 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-12 14:30 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 14:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 15:10 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 15:23 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:20 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 16:28 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:43 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 17:12 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 18:07 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 18:20 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 18:34 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-12 19:34 ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-12 21:45 ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-12 18:44 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 20:54 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 15:19 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-12 15:35 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:11 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 16:21 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:27 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-12 16:36 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:55 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 17:14 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 17:45 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-13 11:52 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-02-13 15:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-13 16:04 ` CUA-mode features and documenation (was: Re: change cursor type when idle) Kim F. Storm
2008-02-13 16:23 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-13 22:45 ` CUA-mode features and documenation Juri Linkov
2008-02-13 22:59 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-13 23:18 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-14 0:01 ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-14 0:50 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-14 0:58 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-14 1:12 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-14 18:10 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-15 17:11 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-17 13:22 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-17 18:05 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-18 11:40 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-18 13:44 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-02-18 15:52 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-17 19:51 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-17 22:24 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-17 22:30 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-18 13:48 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-02-17 13:22 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-17 16:58 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-17 18:06 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-18 11:40 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-19 8:52 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default [Re: CUA-mode features and documenation] Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-19 9:38 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-19 19:01 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-19 20:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-19 22:43 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-19 23:45 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-19 23:49 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20 0:12 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 0:19 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20 0:30 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 0:49 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20 7:48 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 0:16 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-20 3:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20 9:56 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20 16:32 ` CUA-*mode (was: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default) Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20 17:27 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20 8:59 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 12:27 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-20 12:52 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-20 13:09 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 14:33 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-20 15:11 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 15:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-20 15:55 ` David Reitter
2008-02-20 16:04 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-20 16:27 ` David Reitter
2008-02-21 15:34 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-20 16:23 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 3:52 ` Provide different sets of .emacs [Was: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default] William Xu
2008-02-21 4:04 ` Provide different sets of .emacs William Xu
2008-02-20 16:14 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20 16:27 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 17:21 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20 17:30 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 20:48 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20 21:07 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 16:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20 17:00 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 17:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20 19:30 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-20 20:09 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 20:41 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 17:45 ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-21 23:01 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21 23:24 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-22 3:18 ` Miles Bader
[not found] ` <8e24944a0802212139r2bae3597ke49c5c6da65da445@mail.gmail.com>
2008-02-22 5:49 ` Fwd: " David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 22:57 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-23 0:09 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23 0:31 ` Mike Mattie
2008-02-23 1:02 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-23 1:20 ` Bastien
2008-02-23 9:16 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-23 1:17 ` Bastien
2008-02-23 5:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-23 10:30 ` Bastien
2008-02-23 19:29 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 21:44 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21 9:16 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 9:16 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 14:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-22 10:47 ` Bastien
2008-02-22 13:11 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-22 14:16 ` Bastien Guerry
2008-02-22 14:48 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 18:06 ` Bastien
2008-02-22 15:53 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-22 18:12 ` Bastien
2008-02-22 22:20 ` Mike Mattie
2008-02-22 23:09 ` Mike Mattie
2008-02-23 19:28 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-22 14:57 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-02-22 16:27 ` Leo
2008-02-22 22:57 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 22:28 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 17:35 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-20 18:04 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20 19:02 ` Evans Winner
2008-02-20 21:13 ` Jason Earl
2008-02-20 21:24 ` David Kastrup [this message]
2008-02-20 22:46 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 7:30 ` martin rudalics
2008-02-21 22:29 ` scroll-restore.el Richard Stallman
2008-02-22 16:11 ` scroll-restore.el David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 19:32 ` scroll-restore.el martin rudalics
2008-02-22 19:41 ` scroll-restore.el David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 19:51 ` scroll-restore.el martin rudalics
2008-02-22 19:26 ` scroll-restore.el martin rudalics
2008-02-20 23:15 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Jason Earl
2008-02-20 23:30 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 0:42 ` Jason Earl
2008-02-21 9:57 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 14:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 14:41 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 16:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 16:26 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 17:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 17:38 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 17:52 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 21:45 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 22:24 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21 17:27 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 22:25 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21 22:59 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21 23:17 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21 23:22 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21 23:39 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-21 23:45 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21 23:10 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-22 10:07 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-02-22 12:19 ` Tassilo Horn
2008-02-22 12:28 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-22 22:57 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-22 23:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-23 0:03 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23 0:14 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-23 8:04 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-23 0:04 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23 19:29 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-23 0:14 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23 0:21 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23 0:46 ` Should M-SPC respect `sentence-end-double-space'? Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23 0:46 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2008-02-23 3:23 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23 0:52 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23 3:11 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23 3:47 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23 8:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23 15:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-23 17:01 ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-21 22:28 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Richard Stallman
2008-03-01 22:15 ` Glenn Morris
2008-03-01 22:40 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-02 2:56 ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-02 17:25 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-02 5:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-02 16:09 ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-02 17:25 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 9:16 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 12:07 ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-02-20 21:15 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-21 9:16 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 15:55 ` Luc Teirlinck
2008-02-22 3:31 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-22 22:57 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-23 0:08 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-21 22:27 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 19:09 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 0:10 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21 22:28 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-23 11:00 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-20 20:01 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default] Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-20 20:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20 22:16 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling TransientMark " Drew Adams
2008-02-20 22:32 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20 22:45 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 1:09 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 1:44 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 8:05 ` Sven Joachim
2008-02-21 0:13 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21 1:44 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 4:56 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 22:28 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 17:46 ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-21 22:28 ` Tentative diagnosis of Transient Mark mode's " Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 8:19 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's " Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-21 9:43 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling TransientMarkMode " Drew Adams
2008-02-21 10:54 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 17:10 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 19:28 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-21 21:42 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-22 11:58 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Robert J. Chassell
2008-02-22 14:49 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 16:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 10:59 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling TransientMarkMode by default] Andreas Schwab
2008-02-21 16:55 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 22:29 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 8:05 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode " Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-21 14:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 17:44 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem Johan Bockgård
2008-02-21 19:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 22:38 ` Johan Bockgård
2008-02-22 1:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 9:16 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default] Richard Stallman
2008-02-23 11:34 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-24 0:53 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 21:27 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Juri Linkov
2008-02-19 9:48 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default [Re: CUA-mode features and documenation] David Kastrup
2008-02-17 18:11 ` CUA-mode features and documenation David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-14 1:54 ` Leo
2008-02-13 22:00 ` change cursor type when idle Richard Stallman
2008-02-14 13:16 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-02-15 0:03 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-12 19:31 ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-12 21:23 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-12 21:42 ` Juri Linkov
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