From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Working with one buffer in two frames/windows Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:02:34 +0200 Message-ID: <85lk07pdpx.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <86tzew3d1c.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <85myknqzq2.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <48788A04.8020204@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1215860572 2730 80.91.229.12 (12 Jul 2008 11:02:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:02:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: martin rudalics Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 12 13:03:39 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KHct8-0004SR-UH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:03:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54349 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KHcsG-0002Gi-P1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:02:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KHcsB-0002GF-9w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:02:39 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KHcsA-0002Fq-A7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:02:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38177 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KHcsA-0002Fj-0y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:02:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-07.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.47]:33098) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KHcs9-0003zD-CG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:02:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-05-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-05-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.17]) by mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DDB24AF07; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:02:35 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (mail-in-05.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.45]) by mail-in-05-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C062DA961; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:02:35 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-040-057.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.40.57]) by mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D2C91C3318; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:02:35 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 046E81CFAEEE; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:02:34 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <48788A04.8020204@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:40:04 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/7694/Fri Jul 11 22:39:39 2008 on mail-in-05.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100611 Archived-At: martin rudalics writes: >> I don't think that the solution lies in user commands. The behavior for >> temporary screens like help screens and gnus screens and other stuff is >> far too egregiously annoying to make it reasonable to require the user >> to fight for his window configuration each time. > > If you have problems with `View-quit' when viewing a help buffer please > report here. I have tried to handle that case but might have failed. I just tried for 10-seconds and it might do the right thing. However, killing the view buffer with C-x k RET does not. And other things that likely use the equivalent of bury-buffer don't either. Doing any C-x 4 like stuff will lose you the point information in the other window, permanently. M-x gnus RET in particular will leave a mess after finishing concerning both window configuration and buffer selection (at least if you view at least one article and thus get into split view). One major drawback of many window systems is productivity loss because you have to move around and rearrange windows in order to get a certain job done. And the Emacs windows assignment methods cause similar user threshing where you have to invest time to regain a working configuration. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum