From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Building Emacs-cvs on Cygwin Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:12:03 +0200 Message-ID: <85k62nun5o.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <8564e7wf13.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1161875630 6352 80.91.229.2 (26 Oct 2006 15:13:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:13:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 26 17:13:45 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd6vC-00037j-0O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:13:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd6v9-0005h2-V4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:13:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd6ut-0005fN-Mo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:13:11 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd6ut-0005ey-6a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:13:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd6us-0005en-US for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:13:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gd6us-0002TR-BQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:13:10 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Gd6uq-0006vn-1q; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:13:08 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 8FED21C452C6; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:12:03 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu\, 26 Oct 2006 11\:06\:25 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:61201 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: David Kastrup >> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:24:40 +0200 >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> Microsoft Windows is not a complete system, as it is missing most >> end user applications, and is also lacking the toolbox inventory of >> small utilities that are a necessary ingredient of POSIX systems. > > What exactly is missing that makes you say this? > > A bare-bones Linux kernel Which neither Richard nor I was talking about. Richard was clearly talking about a GNU/Linux system, and so was I. And Richard called a GNU/Linux system comparable to MS Windows, and I said that MS Windows did not compare well at all in that regard. So I don't know what straw men you are trying to beat here. > lacks even a shell and basic commands like ls and cp, which are all > GNU programs, but MS-Windows does come with the equivalents of these > commands out of the box. But the MS Windows versions of even those primitive commands are much less useful, particular in scripts, than the GNU equivalents. >> One has to add quite a bit of GNU stuff to MS Windows before it >> becomes comparably useful. > > ``Useful'' is in the eyes of the beholder. ``Usable'' is a more > relevant issue: stripped of all GNU programs, a Linux-based system > is simply unusable, IMO. So what? Richard was not talking about just a kernel, I was not talking about just a kernel. What is your fixation with a bare Linux kernel? -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum