From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Possible change to startup.el Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 01:58:02 +0200 Message-ID: <85is2q5iwl.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87fyy3hvxl.fsf@jurta.org> <01c53c28$Blat.v2.4$1bd305e0@zahav.net.il> <87k6ndkv98.fsf@jurta.org> <01c53cda$Blat.v2.4$4eb132e0@zahav.net.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1113437293 8440 80.91.229.2 (14 Apr 2005 00:08:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 00:08:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juri Linkov , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 14 02:08:09 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DLrtJ-0003k2-LY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 02:07:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DLrwU-0001Zc-Qy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:10:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DLroZ-00084N-CL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:02:35 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DLroC-0007th-DW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:02:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DLroB-0007sX-7r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:02:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DLrkh-0005a6-DK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:58:35 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=localhost.localdomain) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DLrk5-0001PM-B8; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:57:57 -0400 Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <01c53cda$Blat.v2.4$4eb132e0@zahav.net.il> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 09 Apr 2005 11:00:14 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35960 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35960 "Eli Zaretskii" writes: >> Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> From: Juri Linkov >> Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 21:32:19 +0300 >> >> I was mislead by the "Emacs Tutorial (choose language)..." menu item. >> I thought that "Emacs Tutorial" always selects the English tutorial while >> "Emacs Tutorial (choose language)..." selects a tutorial in any language. >> >> The fact that English menu item "Emacs Tutorial" can select a non-English >> tutorial is misleading too. Ideally the menu item "Emacs Tutorial" >> should be translated into the same language whose tutorial it selects. >> This requires support for multi-language menus. > > Until multi-language menus are supported, perhaps we should change the > menu item to say > > Emacs Tutorial (in YOUR-LANGUAGE) > > where YOUR-LANGUAGE stands for the language name. This should be done > only for those languages that indeed have a translated tutorial. The > tooltip should also hint about that. I think we should do that only for those languages that can't be shown in the menu. Since this depends on a complex interaction of platform, fonts and locales, I think the programmer wanting to put something into a menu can't be reasonably expected to make a guess. So I think that we should add something like (defun menu-string-supported-p STRING &optional DISPLAY) that will tell a programmer whether a given platform is supposed to be able to display a given string. It is really something that Emacs needs to tell the programmer. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum