From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Starting pretest Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:02:18 +0200 Message-ID: <85hcyuvcol.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <87ac4nhbrh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1159287367 23006 80.91.229.2 (26 Sep 2006 16:16:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 26 18:16:00 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSFTG-0007YP-Rq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:07:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSFTG-000754-Df for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:07:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSFOG-0001yP-Ek for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:02:37 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSFOE-0001xM-8T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:02:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSFOD-0001wv-NX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:02:33 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSFSs-00073S-Qg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:07:22 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GSFO5-00029n-4l; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:02:25 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id A3AC61C133CA; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:02:18 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue\, 26 Sep 2006 11\:41\:34 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:60243 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > Except that, even in this late stage, many of the "bugs" you are > asking us to work on are really feature requests. > > I think they are really bug fixes. Quite a few are more like "misfeature fixes": they improve Emacs in case that indeed there _is_ a useful fix. But on some of those, the jury more or less is out, and the attempts to improve things don't lead to a satisfactory situation before several iterations. I think we should really stop trying to improve things now that have not gotten worse since 21.4. The only exception I think reasonable is for features that now default to "on", like font lock mode. But other than that, "no regression" should be sufficient for starting pretest. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum