From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:29:06 +0200 Message-ID: <85hcdwuxz1.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <004a01c8a1a0$7215cdd0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <878wz9btq8.fsf@jurta.org> <85fxthy4qp.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87hcdxz9zr.fsf_-_@jurta.org> <20080420193750.GA3523@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208719776 1998 80.91.229.12 (20 Apr 2008 19:29:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juri Linkov , monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, rms@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 20 21:30:10 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JnfEo-0001Oi-8w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:30:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JnfE9-0006wm-2C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:29:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JnfE5-0006wh-NH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:29:25 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JnfE4-0006uW-5Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:29:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JnfE3-0006uN-Qc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:29:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-14.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.54]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JnfDy-0005SG-Fl; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:29:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-15-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-15-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.32]) by mail-in-14.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD95018797A; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:29:14 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-06.arcor-online.net (mail-in-06.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.46]) by mail-in-15-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD73724B63; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:29:14 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-002-239.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.2.239]) by mail-in-06.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771AE35E719; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:29:14 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id A10361C39587; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:29:05 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <20080420193750.GA3523@muc.de> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:37:50 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92.1/6850/Sun Apr 20 19:05:45 2008 on mail-in-06.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:95532 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie writes: > On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 02:43:36AM +0300, Juri Linkov wrote: >> > I am very much against enabling delete-selection-mode by default. > >> I am very surprised. What could be a reason not to delete the region >> after typing a character when this region was intentionally activated >> specially for doing this. [...] > Anyways.... the main point of my email: this discussion comes into > the category of "things decided long ago, whose discussion now > consumes our time and energy". RMS requested very recently that we > cease such discussion. I've got bugs to fix. Huh? transient-mark-mode was made the default only very recently, and without that, there could not have been much talk about the delete-selection-mode default? So the topic would to me appear rather new. And the right answer is "no"... It might be "not yet", but at the current point of time I have no idea what could be done to make a change not quite painful for all users (not just the old fogies). -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum