From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance... Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:47:53 +0200 Message-ID: <85ejh5kb1y.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <87sl5n75kf.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1189489706 30560 80.91.229.12 (11 Sep 2007 05:48:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 05:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: juri@jurta.org, wilde@sha-bang.de, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 11 15:48:07 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IV660-0002HV-D6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:48:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUybi-0000v2-4D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:48:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IUybe-0000ux-Mt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:48:14 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IUybb-0000qq-Tf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:48:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUybb-0000qT-Np for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:48:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-09.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.49]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IUybY-0003Mq-Fh; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:48:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.13]) by mail-in-09.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6274302D6D; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:48:02 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-10.arcor-online.net (mail-in-10.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.50]) by mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F76013F320; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:48:02 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-056-011.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.56.11]) by mail-in-10.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B712351A4; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:47:54 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id DB6DE1CAD718; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:47:53 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon\, 10 Sep 2007 20\:45\:53 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/4238/Tue Sep 11 05:38:51 2007 on mail-in-10.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:78566 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> Richard has made up his mind, I doubt there exist a way to change his >> opinion on that. So since the startup screen will be displayed, the >> only way out of this is to display both the startup buffer and the >> file buffer. > >> There is no room for both in an ordinary size terminal. >> (It was a struggle just to get the startup buffer to fit.) >> So this is a non-starter. > > You mean that you added the constraint that even when started with > a filename and even on a small terminal, the startup screen should > be immediately visible in its entirety? > > > Stefan > > > PS: What is an "ordinary size terminal" nowadays? 80x24 is the default startup for most, and that needs to work. If we start Emacs with a file name, how about having a clickable excerpt of your file (with the obvious implication) instead of the logo? -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum