From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: TUTORIAL and scroll bar Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 09:14:44 +0200 Message-ID: <85d5ba753v.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <85lkpy75zd.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1155107824 10144 80.91.229.2 (9 Aug 2006 07:17:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 07:17:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 09 09:17:01 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAiJD-00016d-Sn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 09:16:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAiJD-00027j-8c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 03:16:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GAiHP-0000s4-LS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 03:15:03 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GAiHP-0000rN-7V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 03:15:03 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAiHO-0000r8-TE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 03:15:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GAiM2-0006q8-C0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 03:19:50 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GAiHG-000841-NH; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 03:14:55 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 93AB81C4D3AD; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:14:44 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: Miles Bader In-Reply-To: (Miles Bader's message of "Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:07:44 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:58214 Archived-At: Miles Bader writes: > David Kastrup writes: >> I find this strange: after all, the usual setting for almost all >> applications (including those on X) is on the right, so the case for >> Windows does not seem to be different here. > > A lot of "traditional" applications (e.g. xterm, xedit) use left-side > scroll-bars by default (not arbitrarily -- there's some thinking as to > why left-side scrollbars are better); more recent ones seem to often use > right-side sbs, probably because of the mac/windows influence. Ok, I was not aware that we had a few traditional apps approaching this from the left, too. I like the left better, anyway, and would likely reconfigure Emacs if I had to use Windows. If we had well-working customization themes, this is one example where a "Windows standard" theme as opposed to an "Emacs standard" theme could be used to cater for this. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum