From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gnu Emacs and Vista ASLR feature Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 00:46:07 +0200 Message-ID: <85bq2og24w.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <483E84C0.5090708@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1212101213 31798 80.91.229.12 (29 May 2008 22:46:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: fabrice.popineau@supelec.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Jason Rumney To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 30 00:47:33 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K1qu3-0007fu-Q1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 May 2008 00:47:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57122 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K1qtG-0008D6-Ob for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 May 2008 18:46:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K1qtC-0008Ct-Bs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 May 2008 18:46:30 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K1qtA-0008CZ-OQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 May 2008 18:46:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38915 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K1qtA-0008CW-J5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 May 2008 18:46:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-07.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.47]:48588) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K1qss-00031P-Qm; Thu, 29 May 2008 18:46:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-02-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-02-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.14]) by mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C80224AE98; Fri, 30 May 2008 00:46:08 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-17.arcor-online.net (mail-in-17.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.57]) by mail-in-02-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4D11137B5; Fri, 30 May 2008 00:46:08 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-064-149.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.64.149]) by mail-in-17.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F41822BCBFA; Fri, 30 May 2008 00:46:07 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 6708A1C4610E; Fri, 30 May 2008 00:46:07 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 29 May 2008 20:47:17 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92.1/7287/Thu May 29 21:39:20 2008 on mail-in-17.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:98020 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 11:26:08 +0100 >> From: Jason Rumney >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> Fabrice Popineau wrote: > > Hello, Fabrice! Long time no spoken. Welcome to GNU Emacs (I think > you used to use XEmacs in the past). I would be surprised to hear that the past tense here is really appropriate when Fabrice just starts trying to compile Emacs. Fabrice has put together a complete TeX/editing solution for Windows called XEmTeX several years ago that was intended to be used by inexperienced users. XEmacs offered a superior GUI feature set and reasonable stability particularly under Windows at that time. utf-8 was not a topic for TeX or anything else. AUCTeX was supported and installed in its current version out of the box. I think that considering ongoing TeX developments, the current state of Emacs warrants a reevaluation, and the same might be somewhat sadly said about the current state of XEmacs. I am certainly glad that a system integrator of Fabrice's level is putting Emacs through the motions. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum