From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:15:27 +0200 Message-ID: <85bq0l3q9s.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <871w1njq32.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iquzxgtk.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884CFEF.8040404@gmail.com> <48861A51.1090401@gmail.com> <20080724080727.GA3448@muc.de> <863alzd1mi.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <20080726080304.GA1419@muc.de> <85myk53u86.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <488AECE2.9090705@gmail.com> <85fxpx3rfo.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <488AF47E.8080604@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217067357 10893 80.91.229.12 (26 Jul 2008 10:15:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 26 12:16:45 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KMgpP-0000ex-Hk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:16:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52722 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMgoV-0005vZ-DY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:15:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMgoO-0005vN-6f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:15:40 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMgoM-0005v3-ER for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:15:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=54681 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMgoM-0005v0-1t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:15:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-01.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.41]:42716) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KMgoD-0005TS-Tp; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:15:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-06-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-06-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.18]) by mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79FB1104DE7; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:15:28 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-13.arcor-online.net (mail-in-13.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.53]) by mail-in-06-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6938A5BD75; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:15:28 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-019-167.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.19.167]) by mail-in-13.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31EF7225126; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:15:28 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id DE0D61C4CCF2; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:15:27 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <488AF47E.8080604@gmail.com> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:55:10 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/7829/Sat Jul 26 04:24:44 2008 on mail-in-13.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101511 Archived-At: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: > David Kastrup wrote: >>> I think there is a good bit of psychology involved there because I >>> believe you can not generally come to that conclusion without a >>> certain view of how people decide what to do. >> >> I am not interested in applying psychology to feel comfortable with an >> undesirable situation. That may be fine as long as the situation can't >> be changed. > > I can't understand why you are not. Don't you think it can help to > make things better? No, I don't think applying psychology to feel comfortable with an undesirable situation will help to make things better. There may be situations where temporarily scaling down the size of a problem prevents capitulation and paralysis. But there is a difference between "I won't be able to finish this on my own, but I'll just start anyway" and "I won't be able to finish this on my own, so I'll pretend it is not worth doing". -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum