From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Leake Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: More metaproblem Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 03:19:10 -0600 Message-ID: <85bnnhkuep.fsf@stephe-leake.org> References: <20141203142859.24393.98673@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <20141203192721.GE12748@thyrsus.com> <547F6774.50700@cs.ucla.edu> <838uio5vjw.fsf@gnu.org> <20141203211447.GB15111@thyrsus.com> <871toge5zw.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> <83388v6hsq.fsf@gnu.org> <87egsftgd5.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <83egsf3yci.fsf@gnu.org> <87iohq6nvn.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417857584 26200 80.91.229.3 (6 Dec 2014 09:19:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 09:19:44 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 06 10:19:37 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XxBWa-0004fx-KF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 10:19:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53845 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxBWa-0001v0-5c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 04:19:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56846) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxBWI-0001uj-Nl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 04:19:24 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxBWC-0001yb-MQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 04:19:18 -0500 Original-Received: from dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com ([107.14.73.226]:37149 helo=dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxBWC-0001yV-Hs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 04:19:12 -0500 Original-Received: from [70.94.38.149] ([70.94.38.149:52475] helo=TAKVER) by dnvrco-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 27/7D-19322-F0AC2845; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 09:19:11 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87iohq6nvn.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> (Karl Fogel's message of "Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:51:40 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.94 (windows-nt) X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.64.118:25 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Z+xiHRhA c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=AppmJ/7ZOOFWL/q6u6u93g==:117 a=AppmJ/7ZOOFWL/q6u6u93g==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=fNEgcOh0sVsA:10 a=9i_RQKNPAAAA:8 a=o2eD-HNaAAAA:8 a=9dTm7dh1GRB0EoS3mRQA:9 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 107.14.73.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179120 Archived-At: Karl Fogel writes: > My request is simple and specific: > > I'm asking the biggest contributors to Emacs (you, among others) to > > - Not oppose a revamp of the contributor documentation along the lines > I described; (refering to moving contributor docs to the web) I'm not at all convinced that would lower any barriers. The only problems around contributing I've actually seen mentioned on this list are lack of documentation for contributors, or lack of awareness of such documentation. It turns out there _is_ documentation, in several files in the Emacs repository. It needs some cleaning up, which I'm working on (see my recent commits). More importantly, it needs _advertising_. Whenever someone on this list says "please follow the standard", they should _also_ mention ./CONTRIBUTORS, or one of the more detailed files in admin/notes. That will get people used to refering to those files, raise awareness of them, and encourage people to keep them up to date. We also need to mention it on the FSF web page (I hope to find out how to accomplish that). And on the wiki, if we can find the appropriate places. Simply moving the docs to a web page will not help with awareness. > - Not oppose using a modern bug tracker -- one that supports email > manipulation but *also* supports manipulation via a web browser. > (Redmine, for example.) I have on occasion wished I could manipulate the bug tracker via the web. But that is not a barrier to contributing for me; the email interface is simple and well documented. -- -- Stephe