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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, Lute.Kamstra.lists@xs4all.nl, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist.
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:57:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <85acntfnlb.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87d5spxzml.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:02:36 -0400")

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>>     Any objection to removing those aliases?
>>     These names belong to AUCTeX and are just wrong in tex-mode.el.
>
>> I don't see any reason to consider them "wrong", or to think they
>> "belong" to anything other than tex-mode.el.
>
> - tex-mode.el uses the "tex-" and "latex-" prefix for all its functions
>   and variables.
>
> - AUCTeX uses the "TeX-" and "LaTeX-" (and a few more) prefixes for all its
>   functions and variables.
>
> I think the above is a good reason why "TeX-mode" and "LaTeX-mode" belong to
> AUCTeX rather than to tex-mode.el.
>
> So I think it's wrong for tex-mode.el to define
> (defalias 'TeX-mode 'tex-mode) unless it explicitly intends to override the
> AUCTeX definition.

Which would be pretty pointless, since TeX-mode is never explicitly
called by auto-mode-alist or mode specifications in files (which get
downcased before getting applied), not even when AUCTeX is active.

Indeed, AUCTeX's own TeX-mode function (which can recognize more
formats than tex-mode.el) then calls plain-tex-mode, latex-mode,
context-mode and so on based on its decision, so that the user's
preference for tex-mode.el or AUCTeX can be decided by assigning the
proper meaning to those function names, and those names only.

Where a mode in AUCTeX is required functionally instead of as a user
preference, again the mixed case variants are used.  ConTeXt-mode, for
example, is derived from plain-TeX-mode.

The whole separation has been maintained rather meticulously.  For
historical reasons AUCTeX will need to override the mixed mode aliases
in tex-mode.el, so there are no purely technical reasons that would
require removing them.  But I think that their presence in tex-mode.el
is not a good idea since it encourages unsuspecting users to do things
that will cause undesirable results when AUCTeX is installed in
parallel.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-20 15:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-19 15:23 Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist Lute Kamstra
2005-04-19 16:25 ` David Kastrup
2005-04-19 17:44   ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-19 21:28     ` David Kastrup
2005-04-19 21:58       ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-19 22:33         ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 18:52           ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-24 20:24             ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-24 20:50               ` David Kastrup
2005-04-24 21:51                 ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-24 22:00                   ` David Kastrup
2005-04-24 23:37                     ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-25  0:07                       ` David Kastrup
2005-04-26 10:04                       ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-20 19:22           ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-19 23:01         ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-19 23:14         ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-19 23:24           ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 18:41             ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 19:00               ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 19:18                 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 19:50                   ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 19:29               ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-20 14:57           ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-20 15:59             ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-21 15:30               ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-21 16:35                 ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-22 20:51                   ` David Kastrup
2005-04-23 21:00                     ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-23 22:10                       ` David Kastrup
2005-04-24 20:21                         ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-24 20:32                           ` David Kastrup
2005-04-24 20:52                             ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-25 16:05                             ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-23 22:24                     ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-20 14:57         ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-20 15:02           ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 15:57             ` David Kastrup [this message]
2005-04-20 18:37               ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 19:19                 ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 20:11                   ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 20:25                     ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 20:57                       ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 21:33                         ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 16:25             ` Andreas Schwab
2005-04-20 16:57               ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 22:47                 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-04-20 22:58                   ` David Kastrup
2005-04-21  9:56                     ` Andreas Schwab
2005-04-21 10:12                       ` David Kastrup
2005-04-21 11:50                         ` Andreas Schwab
2005-04-21 19:56                         ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-21 20:13                           ` David Kastrup
2005-04-23 16:15                             ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-23 16:23                               ` David Kastrup
2005-04-23 16:15                           ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-21 11:41                       ` Johan Vromans
2005-04-20 15:43           ` David Kastrup
2005-04-21 15:30             ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-21 17:46               ` David Kastrup
2005-04-23 16:15                 ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-19 22:00       ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-19 23:22       ` Andreas Schwab
2005-04-19 23:33         ` David Kastrup
2005-04-19 21:05   ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-20 14:57     ` Richard Stallman

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