From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Semi-unhelpful error message given when trying to (provide 'CUA-mode) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:49:16 +0200 Message-ID: <858xou72s3.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <85fyj4bl8p.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <20060520.211854.71848142.wl@gnu.org> <85lkswa29b.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <44701B91.60606@swipnet.se> <85wtcfbt3n.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <4470A6DB.3020504@swipnet.se> <85d5e79ipp.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <4470EF05.5070408@student.lu.se> <44715134.7050803@swipnet.se> <44717C21.1040600@student.lu.se> <447188A6.7000608@swipnet.se> <447190AF.6020109@student.lu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1148300267 13846 80.91.229.2 (22 May 2006 12:17:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:17:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, Jan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dj=E4rv?= , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 22 14:17:38 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fi9Lf-0007gz-LA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:17:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fi9Le-0004Uo-L9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:17:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Fi9LQ-0004Ui-F1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:17:08 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Fi9LP-0004UD-Me for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:17:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fi9LP-0004U9-G6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:17:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fi9PO-0004zu-LY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:21:14 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Fi9LN-0006gM-Ua; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:17:06 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 164881C2793C; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:49:16 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: Lennart Borgman In-Reply-To: <447190AF.6020109@student.lu.se> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Mon, 22 May 2006 12:21:35 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:55026 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: > Jan Dj=E4rv wrote: >> >> >> Lennart Borgman skrev: >>> Jan Dj=E4rv wrote: >>>>> As far as I know F10 also always works on w32 for activating the >>>>> menus. However the most usual way on w32 is to use the ALT >>>>> key. Is that the usual way in Gnome/Gtk+ too? >>>> >>>> Most usual depends on what the user do, but keyboard shortcuts for >>>> menus, using ALT + some key, are available if the menus are set up >>>> like that by the program. Emacs does not. >>> >>> What is missing in Emacs here? I know from what you told me before >>> that Emacs does not setup accelerator keys for the menus (which at >>> least on w32 are underlined characters). However on w32 this is not >>> needed to activate the menus with ALT. It suffices to just press >>> ALT. (Usually once but sometimes in some apps twice, which I >>> believe is due to somewhat bad handling of accessibility in those >>> programs.) >> >> Oh, you men just pressing ALT and no additional key? That is not >> used in Gnome/Gtk+. Or any other toolkit or OS I know of either. >> Must be w32-specific. > Yes, I mean just pressing ALT and then using the arrow keys to > navigate in the menus. > > Thanks, then I understand a little bit better why my cries for > reserving the ALT key for the menus on w32 have fallen unheard > here. However on w32 that is very important. Too bad those things are > not cross-OS. Does anyone knows if there is something in the > accessibility guidelines that says something about this? There is some variable w32-pass-alt-to-system or similarly, I believe. Not having a w32 system, I can't vouch for its actual name. --=20 David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum