From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Merging unicode Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:55:24 +0200 Message-ID: <857iqrxpkj.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1180475738 26558 80.91.229.12 (29 May 2007 21:55:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 21:55:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Andreas Schwab , Emacs-Devel To: "Juanma Barranquero" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 29 23:55:36 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Ht9fD-0005sd-EV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 23:55:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ht9fC-0004f8-Nr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 17:55:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ht9f9-0004dU-Eu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 17:55:31 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ht9f7-0004dI-GU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 17:55:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ht9f7-0004dF-D5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 17:55:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-09.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.49]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ht9f6-0001Lr-OM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 17:55:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-09-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.21]) by mail-in-09.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3AB7302A81; Tue, 29 May 2007 23:55:26 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-06.arcor-online.net (mail-in-06.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.46]) by mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF31928ECF9; Tue, 29 May 2007 23:55:26 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-045-133.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.45.133]) by mail-in-06.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9198335E5AB; Tue, 29 May 2007 23:55:26 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 79F011C3E046; Tue, 29 May 2007 23:55:25 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Tue\, 29 May 2007 21\:01\:15 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:71966 Archived-At: "Juanma Barranquero" writes: > On 5/29/07, Andreas Schwab wrote: > >> I don't think there is any interlock between the 22.1 release and the >> unicode-2 merge. > > I got the impression that people was refraining from doing large-scale > changes to the trunk to facilitate testing patches in the trunk before > moving them to the EMACS_22_BASE branch. > > But if I'm wrong, what is delaying the merge of the unicode branch? Well, that the jury is somewhat out on the multi-tty branch. I had made some proposals with regard to environment variables, but if I am going to do them myself, I will need at least one or two weekends. Then there is the matter of non-existing Texinfo information for the Elisp manual and also the Emacs manual. Merging unicode2 first will cause synch headaches in the multitty branch (larger than the other way round, presumably). However, K=E1roly had already agreed he'd do the synch work for unicode-2 if that is synched first. And we really should not wait all too long with multi-tty since the available manpower means that it would likely be a bad idea to have extensive package updates (tramp, gnus, whatever) before we have basically merged all the branches we want in. But it also does not make much sense to merge in multi-tty before we have arrived at a variable/terminal/environment model that has either a solid chance for being the final model (in which case we will have to do changes to other stuff just once) or is minimally invasive (in which case we can keep most current stuff and probably make decisions about changes, if any, later). We currently still have some bug fixes trundling in. Applying them to both EMACS_22_BASE and trunk is easier before the unicode-2 synch. But on the other hand, Emacs 22.1 is in its final throws. Synching unicode-2 will make parallel updates of EMACS_22_BASE and trunk a bit more inconvenient. And maybe we just need that bit of inconvenience to shoo Emacs 22.1 out the door. --=20 David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum