From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: new apropos feature in Emacs-22 Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 10:19:19 +0100 Message-ID: <8564r6w2ug.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <200511060157.jA61vca26394@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1131272576 2888 80.91.229.2 (6 Nov 2005 10:22:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 10:22:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Luc Teirlinck , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 06 11:22:55 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EYhet-0006J8-QU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 11:21:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EYhbQ-0008Ui-GT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 05:18:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EYgxt-0002Yo-PQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 04:37:31 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EYgxE-0002Ip-Lm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 04:36:50 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EYggR-0004Lm-SR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 04:19:28 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EYggR-000384-UN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 04:19:27 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EYggR-0005Xg-7A; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 04:19:27 -0500 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 57CE81C3C799; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 10:19:19 +0100 (CET) Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 06 Nov 2005 06:32:57 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:45497 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:57:38 -0600 (CST) >> From: Luc Teirlinck >> Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> Are you sure that most newbies are accustomed to _your brand of_ >> keyword search: at least two alternatives in any order, with no way to >> specify other requirements, _and_ with plenty of forbidden characters, >> that are natural in an Emacs context, like `*', `.' `+'? > > Whether newbies are accustomed to this remains to be proven, but the > characters ``natural in the Emacs context'' above come from an > experienced user. > >> In the keyword searches that I am familiar with you can enclose the >> keywords in quotation marks to force sequential in order occurrence. > > That's an advanced feature, you know. > >> I believe that after your change, newbies _still_ will have to learn >> about regexps to accomplish what they are used to in search engines. > > Please explain why you think so. We have string search and replace, and regexp search and replace. Maybe regexp-apropos could be bound on C-h C-a . -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum